A lot on my mind - Combined post

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by rviser, Aug 27, 2009.

  1. rviser

    rviser Pianissimo User

    Dec 26, 2008
    I've got a lot of things on my mind w. my trumpet right now, and know there's probably some really good answers so here goes:

    1. Change of embouchure for playing high - I'm pretty sure that the correct way to play is to use the same embouchure setting for low notes as you would for high. However, lately I have been letting the mouthpiece rim line up w. the area of my upper and lower lip that are above/below the red area, this causes more of the lip to be in the mouthpiece, and it makes playing higher MUCH easier. I don't like this embouchure setting for playing technically or doing other things, and at first playing high this way was quiet and kinda squeaky, but I'm getting to the point where it sounds like it should. BUT, I don't want to start bad habits, so, critique away on this.

    2. A good teacher - Because of issues such as the above and questions, I feel like it's time I get a really good teacher. I couldn't be happier with the way I play when I am fresh, but watching/listening to some of the pros out there, I realize that they can play with the same intensity as I do and often times much more, for much longer. I need a teacher who can diagnose what I'm doing, make sure I don't have a spread embouchure, etc. I was thinking about Pops Mclaughlin, since he is only about 2.5 hours from me, I could go in person and get much more out of it.

    3. Harrelson demo - I've had the Harrelson Bravura demo for about a week and a half now. The bell is a #3 and it came w. 4,5,6, and 9 leadpipes. I posted about this a few days ago, but the first thing I noticed is my upper range was harder on this horn, and I was expecting the efficiency of it to make it easier. I did notice that my mouthpiece didn't go in as far as w. my other horn and thought this might affect it but noone else thought so. I LOVED the way I sounded on this horn and the Bauerfeind valves are incredibly smooth, but last night I picked up my Yamaha again and just played so much easier and better on it. Maybe I'm not a heavy horn kinda guy? Maybe since I like my Yamaha so much I should try some of their top of the line horns? I think if I could find a horn that played the way my Yahama does, had the smooth valve action of the Bauerfeind, and had the dark, warm rich sound of the tone on the Harrelson, I would be in love. Any ideas?

    I think that's it. Thanks for the help and advice and sorry for the length.

  2. rviser

    rviser Pianissimo User

    Dec 26, 2008
    Don't everyone reply all at once people!!
  3. Dale Proctor

    Dale Proctor Utimate User

    Jul 20, 2006
    Heart of Dixie
    Just my opinions (since you asked)...

    1. I think using two embouchures is a mistake. How would you make a fluid transition on a phrase that went from low to high?

    2. Endurance comes with time and correct practice. A teacher may help insure that your methods are correct.

    3. Keep playing the Yamaha for now if it's easier. I sure wouldn't buy a horn that made any aspect of playing more difficult.
  4. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    Pops is a chops specialist. I am sure that there are some "well rounded" players in your general area that could pay attention to a bigger part of your playing.

    The right trumpet will find you. Just play EVERYTHING that you can get your hands on and talk to Felix or Dylan before you spend any money.
  5. s.coomer

    s.coomer Forte User

    Mar 25, 2005
    Indianapolis, In
    I could not agree more with Dale Proctor and Rowuk. Don't buy a new horn if it doesn't feel comfortable for you to play. Get to a good teacher who can work with you on all aspects of your playing and do what they tell you.
  6. Al Innella

    Al Innella Forte User

    Aug 9, 2007
    Levittown , NY
    If you can take lessons with Pops do it, if your embouchure is right, it makes everything else a lot easier to play, not having to worry about embouchure will let you work on other aspects of trumpet a lot sooner.
  7. Bob Grier

    Bob Grier Forte User

    May 4, 2007
    Greensboro, NC
    Like rowuk a good all around teacher is the best way to go. Do both Pops and a long term teacher.It can' hurt.
  8. Bachstul

    Bachstul Mezzo Forte User

    Jan 25, 2009
    I've got all of Pop's books, they are easy reads to understand.

    One of my favorites is "The pros talk Embouchure"...... everyone is in there, even some that chat here.


    It would have been best if you posted three new threads. You're going to have people skim through all that edit that should have been cut in half, and give you one vague answer to three important questions.

    Wait a couple weeks and post one at a time, not all at once.....

    "TMI"!........(too much information)
  9. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

    Mar 23, 2006
    Parts Unknown
    Hey--Rowuk borrowed my concept of the right trumpet finding you, so don't give him too much credit!

    As for the chops, I changed mine between my undergraduate and graduate studies, and I sucked for about six months. If you know you are doing the right thing, then keep at it.

    As far as teachers go, for endurance and such, see if you can find one of Bill Adam's students in your neighborhood. Plenty of monster players from this approach, if not the most musical.
  10. rviser

    rviser Pianissimo User

    Dec 26, 2008
    Hey thanks for all the tips and feedback guys. I know an embouchure change can be tough to undergo. Hopefully that will be last resort but even so, what is 6 months or so when you got so many years left to enjoy the horn. At this point I basically want to add a few notes to my range (would be really happy if I had a consistent G above high C) and have the endurance to play at 100% all night. Really looking forward to seeking out some good quality teachers and seeing what their thoughts are. Thanks again.


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