A New Quarter Tone C Trumpet

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  1. trumpetsplus

    trumpetsplus Fortissimo User

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    I was asked to make a quarter tone C trumpet. What I decided to do was use a rotary valve for the 4th, quarter tone, and place it immediately forward of the 3rd valve. Other people have done this by inserting a rotor in the main slide, but I felt that this makes the trumpet front heavy. Before clean up and tidying up the lever assembly, here it is:
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    I am very happy with the way it plays, but the quarter tones drive my ear nuts.
     
  2. Sethoflagos

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    Looking forward to hearing your revised version of Blue Rondo à la Turk, Ivan!
     
  3. tjcombo

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    Nicely executed Ivan. Far slicker and more accurate than trying to do this with tuning slides. I want one, but can't justify it for one or two Arabic flavoured riffs. :-(
     
  4. trumpetguy27

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    Ok... no disrespect meant to anybody but what the heck would you do with a quater tone C trumpet??? To me the use of a quarter tone Bb is minimal at best in jazz stuff but a C? What am I missing?

    This DID however get me to thinking how relatively easy it should be to add a valve similar to this but set it up to drop the horn a fourth like a pic... now THAT could be useful on a Bb or C. :)
     
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    Oh... and Ivan... Great job as always!
     
  6. tjcombo

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    I have a couple of songs with a Middle Eastern theme. The underlying riff I want to use sounds right played on an Arabic scale which needs the quarter tones. I can almost, kind of get the effect by choosing a key where both first and third slides can be brought into play, but it's a pain in the butt and limited. C or Bb matters less. In fact a C horn would let me write one chart for the band.

    ...and it'd be far easier than trying to master a soprano trom.
     
  7. trumpetsplus

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    I understand that there is some contemporary solo literature requiring quarter tones. The beauty of this system is that virtually every Bb and most Cs can be retrofitted with a 4th valve to do whatever is wanted. If a piston valve is used, then the inlet and outlet are staggered so the tuning slide spacing needs to be altered.

    One project I have wanted to do for some time is to make an ascending valve on a Bb trumpet to take it up to C. This would be a C trumpet with a whole tone valve defaulting to in; actuating the rotor would raise the horn a whole step. This avoids all long fingerings and is the system which was used by Roger Voisin in Boston for a long time - he had a C trumpet ascending to D designed by Merri Franquin of the Paris Conservatoirein the 19 teens.
     
  8. Ed Kennedy

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    "Very interesting." Artie Johnson, Laugh-In
     
  9. stumac

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    There was a very early Selmer paris on ebay recently sn 100+ in C with a 4th valve to Bb, went out of my range.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
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