A question about trumpet mouthpiece intensifiers

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Lezwoymn, Nov 29, 2007.

  1. Lezwoymn

    Lezwoymn Pianissimo User

    Oct 11, 2007
    Long Island, NY USA
    Ok. I was wondering if anyone had any info about these. Do they work and which one to pick. Jazz, symphonic or classical. TY
  2. tatakata

    tatakata Mezzo Forte User

    May 29, 2007
    If you want to sound dull go buy one. They are a gimmick IMHO. Yes they will change the tone but not for the better. You would be better off buying a mouthpiece that has the "mass" built in if you are looking for a heavier piece.

    ex. Monette

    stay away from the mega tone.

  3. Lezwoymn

    Lezwoymn Pianissimo User

    Oct 11, 2007
    Long Island, NY USA
  4. Brekelefuw

    Brekelefuw Fortissimo User

    Mar 21, 2006
    Take what he says with a grain of salt. If it works for you, then it works. Adding mass or removing gaps in certain places can really affect how a trumpet blows. I don't know what specific product you are talking about, but depending on where it goes, it could make a huge change.

    Sounding dull is up to the player, not the gear.
  5. tatakata

    tatakata Mezzo Forte User

    May 29, 2007
    Bottom line is its going to sound dull. You add a bunch of mass to a mouthpiece that wasn't designed to have that added mass and you are fighting it.

  6. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

    Mar 23, 2006
    Parts Unknown
    When we start talking about jazz versus symphonic models intensifiers then we may as well talk about the finish on them. The basic idea is to allow less leakage out the shank, and my experience with Mark Curry's first SoundSleeve was one of "wow!" Multiple tonguing was easier and response improved on my horn/mouthpiece set up. Mark's MonsterSleeve does some things I really like on his mouthpiece blanks.

    Tone intensifiers do something, and you might like that something, but please remember that some of these products are on the cutting edge of voodoo technology--test and try before you buy, please!
  7. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    Mass applied to the trumpet, just like to the human body can have dramatic effects depending on how much and where!

    Any time we "investigate" such phenomena, we need to try to figure out the obvious and not so obvious. Adding mass to a mouthpiece often makes the "slots" tighter (not good if our horn has an intonation problem...) and makes us think that we have more projection. This is very difficult to objectively measure. What happens in any case, mass damps vibrations - and most likely makes the leadpipe more "inert". This is the most sensitive part of the horn and making it mechanically more stable will for sure change the playing characteristics.

    This "geeko" explanation is not really of much help unless we use it to play test.

    With your standard setup and in a good sized room with decent acoustics, play several Gs in the staff. Take your time and talk between the notes to get a fresh start each time. Have a friend with an electronic tuner take note of the intonation. Then play several Gs on top of the staff - your friend takes notes, but does not tell you what is going on. Try and play those notes as relaxed as possible. Finally, play several Gs below the staff. Do the same thing with the 3 Cs.
    So now we add the "intensifier" and do EXACTLY the same procedure. Try not to pay attention to the sound. You are behind the horn and that does not count at this stage! Now take a look at the intonation notes. It is most likely that the added mass will make the high G and C a few cents lower. If you play tense, that would seem to be an advantage, but we have just applied a bandaid to a problem instead of solving it! We have just created a system "tolerant" of our tension and designed to help us mainain this state! If they are in fact lower in pitch, a slight "lipping up" will make them brighter in sound, but cost more energy when playing.
    The next test is lip slurs. Pick some of the most difficult ones out of your standard routine. The best thing here is to record them and then play them back. Listen to the transition between the notes and again the intonation. Generally the added mass will make the transition "cleaner" but highlight intonation issues.
    So by now you have probably earned a break. What we have just tested is the acoustical integrity of the solution. An incredible perceived sound or, fantastic slotting is of no help if we have more work "muscling" the horn into tune or need more work to play high! Most of the products that I have tested have brought as many negative traits into the solution as changes perceived to be positive. The human species are masters in self deception.

    If your intensifier passed all of the above tests - YOU WIN! congratulations. Post the results and how you objectively got them. Millions of trumpet players are looking for inexpensive tweaks to replace practice time!
  8. tatakata

    tatakata Mezzo Forte User

    May 29, 2007
    ya. What Rowuk said.
  9. Toobz

    Toobz Mezzo Piano User

    Feb 5, 2007
    Yup, that's me ! If only I could find something to replace practicing , I could be the greatest ever ! :cool:

    However, it must be cheap, easy to use and readily available.
    After all, I've got a life ! :lol:
  10. Patric_Bernard

    Patric_Bernard Forte User

    Oct 25, 2007
    If you guys are talking about megatones... I dont have a problem with mine. I get an amazing tone out of it.

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