A question to a MD.

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Sofus, Oct 12, 2009.

  1. Sofus

    Sofus Forte User

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    Hi!

    A short while ago I posted a thread called A "Streching lips" poll.


    The comments from readers were educational in at least two ways:

    * it proved that there actually are a few people besides
    myself that subject their lips to stretching after playing
    * it was clarified that the muscle fibres in lips are of a
    white kind and therefore not of the same kind as the
    mixed red-white kind found in arms and legs etc.

    Although some comments claimed that because the lips
    consist of white muscle fibre and therefore do not benefit
    from streching in the way that arm or leg muscles do,
    non of the comments clarified why they do not benefit
    from stretching that same way, and this is my reason for
    now posting this second thread.

    When it comes to muscles normally used in sports etc.,
    the general assumption is that streching is good because it will

    a) prevent muscles from ripping at the following exercising
    b) keep muscles flexible
    c) prevent muscles from contracting into short, fat muscles after exercising
    d) make muscles recover faster after exercising
    e) get a better muscular growth after exercising


    SO HERE COMES THE QUESTIONS:

    a1) Will stretching have the effect on arm/leg muscles described in a)?
    a2) Will stretching have the effect on lip muscles described in a)?
    If not, why not? What will the result regarding this matter be, if you try?

    b1) Will stretching have the effect on arm/leg muscles described in b)?
    b2) Will stretching have the effect on lip muscles described in b)?
    If not, why not? What will the result regarding this matter be, if you try?

    c1) Will stretching have the effect on arm/leg muscles described in c)?
    c2) Will stretching have the effect on lip muscles described in c)?
    If not, why not? What will the result regarding this matter be, if you try?

    d1) Will stretching have the effect on arm/leg muscles described in d)?
    d2) Will stretching have the effect on lip muscles described in d)?
    If not, why not? What will the result regarding this matter be, if you try?

    e1) Will stretching have the effect on arm/leg muscles described in e)?
    e2) Will stretching have the effect on lip muscles described in e)?
    If not, why not? What will the result regarding this matter be, if you try?


    My questions are not about whether trumpeters should stretch their
    lips or not! I´d just like an answer of the questions I´ve posed from
    an entirely physiological point of view.

    Anyone who has the knowledge it takes to give the answers to the
    questions posed from an entirely physiological point of view is very
    welcome in deed to help clarify these things!!
    Also he or she who has part of the answers is very welcome to give
    his/her contribution!

    :-)
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2009
  2. Sofus

    Sofus Forte User

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    Surely there must be someone in here qualified to answer these questions?
    The importance of killing myths regarding embouchure, breathing, "fast air"
    etc. cannot be emphasized enough.

    Are the lip muscles really so very different from other muscles?:think:
     
  3. hichez

    hichez Pianissimo User

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    If you have to think this hard to play trumpet its just not right. Just play and have fun. If you work hard enough at something you enjoy you will find the answer your looking for even if its something you dont want to hear.
     
  4. Sofus

    Sofus Forte User

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    Thank you for your contribution, hichez!

    When I read it I get the impression that maybe you think I´m a
    player with great difficulties, desperately searching for a way to
    get my playing working. This is however not the case; my playing
    is developing just fine.

    I hope you don´t mind me commenting on your comments . . .:-)


    1) I don´t have to think this hard (sorry, but it doesn´t
    feel that hard at all!) in order to play. I can play without thinking
    about these questions, although brain must be put in gear . . .

    2) I play and I do have fun, and thinking isn´t stopping me from that.
    I can do both . . .

    3) Knowledge about how to practise as well as whether stretching is
    something also trumpeters could benefit from isn´t something that
    gets more clear just because everybody keeps playing as before.
    When evaluating the benefits that also trumpeters could have, I
    believe that some thinking, studying and discussing is needed, not
    just playing and doing things the way one has always done them.
    That is exactly what I´m trying to do here . . .

    4) What I want to hear is the truth! Myths are not easily killed.
    If it is the truth that lip muscles would benefit from stretching,
    that´s
    what I want to be acknowledged. A stretch takes about
    15 seconds! Why would any trumpeter spend hours daily
    practising and then refuse to spend 15 seconds on stretching
    if it has all the benefits that all athletes have realized long ago!?
    Also, if it is the truth that lip muscles would benefit from stretching,
    then it is a myth that they don´t! Who wants or needs another
    myth, except maybe people who are affraid of changes, affraid
    of new things or affraid of having been wrong?


    After several wellmeaning answers from my friends here at TM (including
    the one I´ve just answered) I still haven´t got any answers that shed
    light upon the things I actually ask!

    Anyone who has some answers to the questions I ask is very welcome to
    give these answers. I know there are more than one MD out there who
    has the knowledge and qualifications it takes to give relevant answers, so

    PLEASE SHED SOME LIGHT UPON THIS MATTER, YOU WHO CAN!!
     
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2009

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