all the things you are

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  1. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    Well one of the things that tune was - was asthmatic. I get this a lot from trumpeters that don't sing. Here is the text that should be going through your head - even when chorusing:

    You are the promised kiss of springtime
    That makes the lonely winter seem long
    You are the breathless hush of evening
    That trembles on the brink of a lovely song

    You are the angel glow that lights a star
    The dearest things I know are what you are
    Some day my happy arms will hold you
    And some day Ill know that moment divine
    When all the things you are, are mine

    You are the angel glow that lights a star
    The dearest things I know are what you are
    Some day my happy arms will hold you
    And some day Ill know that moment divine
    When all the things you are, are mine



    Checking out Ella Fitzgerald is really useful for tunes like this.
     
  2. Carroll W. Schroeder

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    Amen Rowuk, the words say it all and if you can't sing like me I whistle but words are much better they will give you the feeling and emotion and the rythom of the song.
     
  3. rowuk

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    Actually, if we can't sing, then we need speech class. Just think about this text as if it was a spoken presentation to the Lonely Hearts Society:

    You (breathe) are (breathe)

    Already, we have lost the audience.

    You! are the promised kiss of springtime (breathe)
    will say something to a specific group of listeners

    You are the promised! kiss of springtime (breathe)
    says something else

    You are the promised kiss! of springtime (breathe)
    yet something else

    You are the promised kiss of springtime! (breathe)
    yet another option

    The right way depends on what we have experienced and what we are willing to offer to those listening carefully. The trumpet can speak, but often it just rambles unintelligably...........
     
  4. babyfacechulo

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    I don't think I sounded asthmatic. I think I was just simply playing this tune at ease just taking my time without no high notes or any fast phrasings. And I was breathing a lot. I don't suffer from asthma though.
     
  5. Peter McNeill

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    Here's a good example of phrasing - not just playing the notes.
    Chet Baker and Lars Gullin playing All the Things You Are - YouTube

    BTW it takes courage to put yourself up here like you have, so don't be too defensive, just soak up the comments as critique....and maybe re-post a new one in a couple of weeks... just enjoy. Maybe even some more of us will add a copy.

    Here's another with Brian Lynch on trumpet.
    Phil Woods - All The Things You Are - YouTube

    You have good taste in music.

    Here's a slow backing track with the Chords to improvise.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhWGV1DPoK4
    Cheers
     
  6. rowuk

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    BFC,
    you asked a question, I listened to your YouTube video and told you what I heard. If you have been here at Trumpetmaster for a while, you know that I am not a specialist in "beating around the bush". I am not here as Mr. Feelgood.

    You are well within your constitutional rights to play any way that you want. I think that you will have a better chance by thinking about what I said and doing something about it.

    I'll tell you why I even bothered: What you need is FREE, it doesn't need an embouchure change, it doesn't need a new teacher, it doesn't require a different practice routine, it doesn't require a lesson with Chris Botti. It only needs YOU to wake up and discover the message that a tune carries, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of burying the message with a thoughtless approach that doesn't even consider the words. You are one of thousands of trumpet players that I have heard with this problem - No Previous Knowledge. When you start to play WITH the music, your improvising will end up serving the tune instead of only the rhythmic or chord structure. It is the small difference between boring and great. Add the knowledge of MESSAGE to your playing - sure at the beginning it is a bit primitive, but with every tune that you add to your knowledge base, all the other ones get better too!

    Listening to great renditions is very useful if we learn to pay attention and know what we are listening for. For ballads, we need the words. If the composer did not add words, then we need our own. This is not a change in attitude that happens in a day. It is a trained skill. It involves Articulation (the trumpets "pronounciation"), it needs phrasing and above all, it requires the player not to only be on transmit, they must LISTEN to the RESULT and know where to go next.

    I hope you take my comments in the spirit that they were meant. Your playing skills deserve it.
     
  7. Peter McNeill

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    Here is a nice version with Ella - smooth as, and with the Lyrics.

    Ella Fitzgerald - All The Things You Are (with lyrics) - YouTube

    As I said, take the critique, Rowuk is one of the best, the better you get the harder he will be on you to lift your game. Just listen to these, then re-visit your take with the emotion out - so chill for a day or two. You will get the best out of the critique that way.

    The best improvisations are about telling a story, and leading your audience on a journey. Even when we talk, a good story teller keeps the interest - that is the skill to learn.
     
  8. TrumpetMD

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    Thanks for sharing the video. I agree with Peter that it takes courage to put yourself out there.

    Just one question, could there be some misunderstanding about Rowuk's comments about sounding "asthmatic"? I believe Rowuk was speaking metaphorically, not literally.

    Mike
     
  9. rowuk

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    Hi Mike,

    actually there are several human states where we gasp at every step. They all end up screwing up the same things. In the case of asthma, many afflicted can relieve the symptoms with a spray - it doesn't cure the problem, but helps them keep moving. That is a very typical trumpet approach too!

    In the case of the trumpet, asthmatic playing (with or without the actual sickness) ends up screwing the rhythm up, the message and even our chops. Every unnatural inhale means that we move something to let the air in. In BFCs case, they were very small breaths - he was producing an asthmatic sound because it wasn't properly supported. Later on in the chorus we even started to hear the effects of sickly breathing - the chops started to get weaker, the sound suffered, articulation cracked, etc.

    Proper breathing and phrasing are the basic building blocks. They are both very much connected with the music. I have trouble with "flow studies" out of context because then we train NO LINK to the basic musical pulse. The same goes for Clarke, Schlossberg, Bai-Lin, ..........

    It is good that BFC cleared that up. I am happy that he is not sick. Now, however he has one excuse less for not getting it right.
     

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