Alto flugel fingering chart

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  1. tobylou8

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    The discussion today about the Couesnon flugel caused me to pull out my Elkhardt alto flugel which also has the Eb slide so it can be played in Eb and F. Never played it because I don't know the fingerings and can't find what I'm looking for (or don't know what to look for). Any help is gratefully welcome. :thumbsup:
     
  2. Vulgano Brother

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    0,123,13,23,12,1,2,0,23,12,1,2,0....

    Easy.
     
  3. tobylou8

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    I knew it was the same, but what's the bottom note? Is it C or F# (or something else!! :D)? I'm clueless.
     
  4. stumac

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    With the F slide in, the open note will be a concert F, with a part specifically written for it, the written note will be C below the stave, sounding concert F.

    Then 123=F#, 13=G, 23=G#, 12=A, 1=A#. 2=B, 0=C, all concert pitches.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
  5. Vulgano Brother

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    Mind bending stuff. If we consider the "middle C" of the instrument the "real" middle C will be a sounding Eb or F concert, or an F or G to our Bb ears. If playing music in Bb, you'll have to transpose up a fifth or a fourth. Weird, mind boggling stuff.
     
  6. stumac

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    The orchestra I play French horn in next week is playing the Edward Lalo Spanish Symphony.

    The first movement is for Horns in D, play written part down 3 semitones, the second movement Horns in G, up 2 semitones, the third movement Horns in A, up 2 whole tones, the fourth movement Horns in F, no transposition, the fourth movement back to Horns in D. To further complicate the issue I play on a Bb horn.

    The trumpets have it easy, the whole Symphony is for Trumpets in D. Wierd stuff indeed.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
  7. barliman2001

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    Cheeky. That's just as helpful as saying "start from the bottom up."
     
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    Lalo, like Berlioz, did not like the cornet, which at the time was the only valved instrument available. And the only trumpets readily available in France at the time were in D, and there were pretty few people able to play them. Berlioz, in his book "Remarkable musicians' stories" (or something like that, I did translate the title from a German translation) continually bewails the fact that most orchestras had a few cornet players, but no real trumpet specialists. He usually booted out the cornet players and then went on a search for trumpets... whereas the French horn was a common instrument and could easily be modified from one key to another by "pigtails" - inserts into the leadpipe.

    I can only recommend the following: Practice hard, and then enjoy yourself. For the rest of your life, every other French horn player will bow down in awe in front of you.
     
  9. stumac

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    Unfortunatly I love my trumpets more than the horn and consequently practice more on them, I already am held in awe by my fellow hornists in the orchestre as my range is at least an octave above theirs, my trumpet playing has helped.

    Next term I may go back to trumpet in orchestra as one of the trumpeters, a music teacher has indicated he would like to play horn.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
  10. entrancing1

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    Lucky you, When I was working on an Associates in Music degree I learned to transpose, once I learned it, doing it all the time it was fun. Now, many years later, I grouse when we get a march in Eb:bash: and have given up playing in the community orchestra as I don't like to be humiliated and don't want to invest the time and effort into relearning transposition. I'm having a a tough enough time getting my chops back.
     

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