40cal said: Bruce said: Of all the words written in this thread, those two quotes made me stop dead in my tracks. One of them is the way things ought to be, the other is the way things are for me. When I trace my trumpet tree, there are some pretty big names in it; however, the weak links in terms of teaching are the people that I have studied with (whom I'll not name right here out of respect). Both of my teachers are great players -- one has held an orchestra principal trumpet spot for 20+ years and the other was fresh out of going straight through his BM, MM, and DMA. I was a music ed major in college, but I never had a lesson until I got to college, so I was behind from the beginning. Both of my teachers were etude checkers; or, as they called it, "teaching through the music." My introduction to double tonguing was being told "Say TaKa TaKa Taka. Ok, now go and practice it." That was after I was handed the Goedicke Concert Etude. My follow up to that was the Arutunian for my senior recital. Only on the oddest of odd occassions have I had either teacher use Arban. I did get a healthy dose of Clarke, Irons, and Ghitalla Articulation Studies from my first teacher. Oh, and lots of etudes from both -- Brandt, Bousquet, Top Tones, Charlier. I learned lots about style and how to make things sound good; yet, my playing has always been rough and inconsistent. As a result, I can do a great job of teaching others to play things that I have touble with myself. I can read the rhythms, follow all of the phrasing, but I don't have the basic mechanics to do those things myself. With both of my teachers, anything refering to technique was hit and miss. To me, I would be logical to make sure I could at least double tongue a scale up and down before I was handed the Arutunian, but I couldn't -- and still can't. NOT ONCE did I follow a systematic course of technical development. The idea that you are your own best teacher is simply a falsehood -- at least until you've been equipped to do so. Frankly, my playing is pretty pitiful for someone that spent five years in college and graduated from a large state university (however, I AM a kick ass music teacher ). No, it's not from lack of effort. I put the time in until it was no longer fun to play; and, by then, I knew I wasn't going to get any better with the instruction I was being given. So, that's one reason why some of us try out these different methods of playing -- we're making up for deficiencies in our own player, trying to fix problems that were never dealt with. And, I think, that's why a lot of us just end up putting the horn away -- out of frustration. There's nothing more frustrating than know what needs to be done to make a piece of music sound good, but just not being able to physically make it happen. You can hear the sound in your head all you want to, but sometimes you just can't do it.