Ok if you are a savy shopper and do not need to have the first trumpet you want that comes along you can get some crazy deal's if you willing to let some go buy. What I mean is you set your price limit and what you are looking for ie promodel trumpet's from 1920-1955 $150 and under. The first 5-7 will get snatched up at the last minute by someone that just has to have the King Liberty USN and is willing to pay any price for it. Sooner or Later though another pro trumpet of that vintage in that price range will come along you just have to be patient. Sometimes I am looking for a basket case to try various custom modifications to like a copper bell with or with out the bead etc....... Well what I have noticed is that as a group the one's that consistently set a reserve price that is insanely high or start the bidding off too high are Getzen owner's. Now what strikes me as funny is that until about 10 year's ago no one took them seriously they where student instrument maker's for H.S. and College especialy marching band. I am sure we all remember the Frumpet?!?! Sure they have always built a durable precision made product but nothing that was taken seriously by pro's. I will say that the last 10 year's or so maybe 15 they have really come a live in this department not because they could not have done it sooner but they just did not try. So when I see Getzen 390/490 with reserves in the $350 range or higher or a buy now price of $580 or a first bid with no reserve of $180 I have to ask myself what a person is smokeing or what is in their water.I saw a Getzen Tone Ballanced model with a reserve price of $315. In 1950 when that model was made it was a low end pro model that sold new for $150 that is less then my F.E. Reynolds from 1968 which sold for $168MSRP. Their is nothing special about them other then that they do play nicely and they are very easy to play. I can not imagine anyone paying that type of money for a student horn or for an unremarable low end pro horn. You do not see this kind of fanatisizim in any other brand until you get tot he Bach Strad's but unlike a Getzen 390 or a Super Delux Tone Ballanced model the Bach Strad's ahve the chop's to back up their higher priceing plus they are expensive to start with!!! Sure If I go to BrassWinds or Music 123 I will see that my son's Holton 602 is $1025 to buy new but I got it on Ebay for $50 because that is what the market would bare on that day. I see a lot of Holton's with reserves or buy it now priceing int he $299 range and but that is not the norm for those on Ebay. His has insane compression,great valves, no dent's or dings just a few spot's near the recieveronthe lead pipe that have some finish missing. It sounds absolutely great for a student trumpet. My 1968 F.E. Reynolds is in about 98% condition their is light wear onthe valves and some light scratch's on the lead pipe that could be buffed out. Their are zero dents a few dings so small that you have to be with in an inch or two to see them I got it for $100. It is built every bit as well as an Old Ambasador and I think better since it has nickle silver sleve for all the tuning slide's and solid nickle spit valves etc.......So why is that the Getzen owner's are so stuck on price and set their prices so high?????? I mean really they are not any more expensive then any other trumpet in a lot of way's their prices are lower then most especialy when you look at how well they build their stuff not fancy just well put together with good materials. I have yet to see any other group Conn,Selmer,Bach NON-Strad's, Yamaha,Reynolds,Buesher,even the Old's Owner's are not as set on price! I mean the Olds Ambasdor's all the way up through the Menendez and Studio SPecials are all highly sought after in fact it is probably the most sought after single brand of trumpet on Ebay and you can find them from $9.99 up to $1800 dollars in various states of repair etc.... So chime in you see it with some brands of mouth pieces too. THe old's mouth pieces that are in good shape like new often sell for like $75 which is so crazy when you can buy Warburton, Schilke,Stork, for 1/2 that price or for double you can have a like new Harrelson or Monette etc......I am sure their are other strange things I am completly missing but do chime in since all of our experinces and perceptions will differ a little bit!