"Are you supporting your air"? - I don't get it

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Kantza, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. tjcombo

    tjcombo Forte User

    Nov 12, 2012
    Melbourne, Australia
    +1 - what he said. Playing with or in front of other people at every opportunity is not only an important part of developing as a musician, but also builds capabilities that help in many other aspects of life. Learning to feel comfortable and enjoying working with a crowd will stand you in good stead whatever career choices you make.

    On the same track - learning to breath effectively will also help you when speaking.

    Apropos your original post, I suspect that your teacher is on the right track and there's just a gap in the way he's communicating with you, your listening to him and/or both. Problems with not being able to play your best in front of your teacher most likely boil down to not having put in enough hours to habituate what you do when practicing alone (JMHO).
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2015
  2. Kantza

    Kantza Pianissimo User

    May 28, 2012
    This is the answer I was looking for, thanks!
  3. Kantza

    Kantza Pianissimo User

    May 28, 2012
    I do play in a wind orchestra and also a jazz combo from my music school (havn't had a performance with it yet, which I'm glad for, I get nervous thinking about it) and I really enjoy playing there.
    Being nervous doesn't mean I don't want to do it, I just want to be able to do it without the nerves and just have fun, just need more confidence in my playing first.
    I've had a little performance (for Christmas in a church) with the wind orchestra, which I wasn't nervous about because I'm a member of a bigger group then and people won't be stairing at me since I'm more in the back (visualy) of the group.

    There are some performances planned with the wind orchestra and the jazz combo also, I just need to grow more confidence in my playing and I'll probably do fine.
  4. Furcifer

    Furcifer Pianissimo User

    Jul 26, 2010
    Those are great gigs to excel with. If you should ever find yourself on the 50 yard line of a major stadium, let us know. It turns out that there's two kinds of "playing in front of people":

    1. Those who came to hear and are listening...
    2. ...and then there's playing in front of A LOT more people who aren't listening, LOL!
  5. Sethoflagos

    Sethoflagos Utimate User

    Aug 7, 2013
    Lagos, Nigeria
    As models for good posture and breathing technique, you can't go far wrong by watching the great dramatic sopranos at work (especially the Wagner specialists). Much the same range as us with the same requirements for a rich, powerful, projecting voice. Birgit Nillson is as good as any.

    She works wonders for me anyway.
  6. richtom

    richtom Forte User

    Dec 7, 2003
    This is what the diaphragm is.

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    /di·a·phragm/ (di?ah-fram)
    1. the musculomembranous partition separating the abdominal and thoracic cavities and serving as a major muscle aiding inhalation.

    It does nothing upon exhalation. You ab muscles control exhalation.

    This is not string theory physics and is over-analyzed to the point of total confusion to those players who don't get it.

    Rich T.
  7. tobylou8

    tobylou8 Utimate User

    Dec 22, 2008
    You can BARELY see her breath!!! Great video!!
  8. therealnod

    therealnod Pianissimo User

    Dec 30, 2014
    You forgot:
    Playing in front of people that are listening very closely and are grading you on your performance.
    No pressure
  9. Kantza

    Kantza Pianissimo User

    May 28, 2012

    That's correct, the diaphragm is an involuntary muscle.
    It has almost nothing to do with breath support.
    For people who want to read more about this I suggest "Brass Playing Is No Harder Than Deep Breathing" by Claude Gordon.
    It has an article in it about this topic where they analyse the movement of the diaphragm while playing the trumpet.
  10. gmonady

    gmonady Utimate User

    Jan 28, 2011
    Dayton, Ohio
    Not entirely involuntary. We can take control over it when we want to.

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