Bach C ml

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  1. joe brown

    joe brown New Friend

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    I just purchased a Bach C with a Ml bore. I haven't seen too many of these out there it is a 229, 25H serial number 32xxx. I know the lead pipe has been changed because I don't think they had the 25H pipe on the very early Elkharts. It's totally been restored and plays like a dream. I have owned many Bach's including C's but never played a Ml C. Why don't more Orchestra's play the ML's.
     
  2. dbacon

    dbacon Mezzo Piano User

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    Because it's like taking a knife to a gun fight. The ML/C's are very nice for small ensemble work. For a modern pro-orchestra you need the LB.
     
  3. Sol

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    Good question. I don't think that many are even made anymore, so it would be that much harder to get hold of a good one. Vacchiano used to play a MEDIUM bore Bach C trumpet (among others I'm sure) and always used to tout the benefits of smaller bore instruments. Enjoy your horn, don't listen if anybody tells you otherwise.
     
  4. davidjohnson

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    i played one for over 20 years (239 bell). it was super. when it was time for another (after 2 overhauls) i bought a schilke C7, but decided to stay w/my bach Bbs.

    dj
     
  5. dbacon

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    Are you saying that Mr. Vacchiano played that C with the New York Phil?

    At the Denver Trumpet Symposium in the early 70's Mr. Vacchiano had a N.Y. LB/C.

    How many Prin. Trumpet players today play on ML/C's?

    None I know of.

    Wonderful for solo work, small ensemble playing ala Mr. Schwarz.

    Even Ray Mase has two C's. One 229/25H, another 229/Malone (smaller, great control). Both LB.
     
  6. Sol

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    When I used to take lessons in Vacchiano's basement, there was always an old Mt. Vernon MEDIUM bore C trumpet lying on the couch. He used to say, and this is a semiquote, " With a big mouthpiece and a smaller bore horn, I was Kingfish". He liked huge mouthpieces, and smaller horns. He also used a Bach D trumpet alot, which had a smaller bore.

    I don't doubt that he also had large bore instruments. Vacchiano loved to experiment. He even put together his own horns! What I am trying to say is this: Just because a C trumpet isn't a large bore, doesn't mean you can't use it in an orchestra. It might sound better for that particular user than a large bore. It might be a better match for that person. Rules are made to be broken. Who says that you can't use a ML bore in an orchestra? As an aside, Vacchiano also liked to play Getzen C trumpets in the NY Phil, which were ML bore. They were the old Getzen Eternas that they don't make anymore.
     
  7. dbacon

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  8. JackD

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  9. dbacon

    dbacon Mezzo Piano User

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    Yes he does, 229/25H from Dillons. Most American Orchestra Prin. play LB C's, Bach or Yamaha. Some others (Monette), don't know of any that play ML/C's.
     
  10. chetbaker

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    In the early '70's I studied with John Ware who was the assistant principal in the NY Phil at the time. Two things to add to the on-going converstaion....(1) John played a MT. Vernon Bach 239 bell MEDIUM LARGE bore C trumpet exclusively in the orchestra....and (2) he told me Vacchiano used to put bamboo shoots down the leadpipe of his D trumpet because he liked the sound and the resistance that it gave! Carmine Caruso and Jerry Callet also told me the same thing regarding the bamboo. FWIW!

    Butch
     

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