Bach size 4C?

Discussion in 'Mouthpieces / Mutes / Other' started by loweredsixth, Mar 11, 2005.

  1. loweredsixth

    loweredsixth Pianissimo User

    Mar 11, 2005
    Fresno, California, USA
    Does anyone know why Bach mouthpieces skip over the size 4?

    They have 1, 1.25, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 2.75, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, etc.
  2. Manny Laureano

    Manny Laureano Utimate User

    Sep 29, 2004
    As legend has it, Vincent Bach came to this country and was introduced to the game of golf by a violinist friend of his. He enjoyed the game at first and particularly was amused by the yelling of "Fore!" to warn other golfers. When he would tee off or hit from the rough he would yell it very loudly.

    Well, he may have enjoyed the game and the yelling but he was a terrible golfer. It got so that as he got more and more frustrated he would start yelling "Fore" louder and louder, with greater vehemence to his voice until he started spending more on woods and irons that he broke in frustraion than greens fees. He was teased unmercifully about his yelling "Fore...FORE!! Verdammt!! FORE!!!". The other golfers were in tears and in pain from laughing so hard. He couldn't take it anymore one day, stormed off the green and never played golf again.

    In developing his mouthpieces he refused, absolutely refused to make anything with the number 4 standing alone so he never included it in his array of mouthpieces.

    Hey, if you can make something better up, go ahead.

    The contest is on.

  3. loweredsixth

    loweredsixth Pianissimo User

    Mar 11, 2005
    Fresno, California, USA
    Oh yeah, there's no 14 either. Thanks for that amuzing explanation Manny. Can anyone verify this?
  4. crazyhorns

    crazyhorns New Friend

    Nov 9, 2003
    number 4

    I had heard that in some cultures, the number 4 is considered bad luck... much like the number 13 is here in America. Thus, no size 4 and no size 13.
    ~Steve Hyde~
  5. ImprovBeast

    ImprovBeast New Friend

    Nov 24, 2003
    Oh... I think you have it wrong. There was a 4c. It was developed for a strange man in a trenchcoat. He came to the Factory and asked to have a mouthpiece made to his exacting specifications. Vincent Bach had never thought to build a mouthpiece such as this, it was perfect. The cup was jsut the right depth, the rim a perfect balance of sharp and flat, and the throught was huge without taking away too much resistance. It took him about a week to get the mouthpiece done. He play tested the final product and was amazed. His intonation was flawless, his high register soared above anything thought possible at the time, and his tone made those at the factory weep from the sheer beauty of it. The man in the trenchcoat cam back for his new mouthpiece, and Bach had to ask, "How did you do it! It's perceft! Everyone I've had play on it has sounded just amazing!". The man replys, "Oh, it's simple really. Nothing special at all. I'm just happy it turned out well."

    Bach never thought much of that man after he left, he was just happy to begin production on this seemingly magical mouthpiece. The night before prodution began he spent hours playing beautiful music. As he played he never got tired, but he just started to get bored. He could play any line with absolute musical and technical mastery because of this mouthpiece. But he knew something didn't feel right. Where was the pain? Where was the struggle witht he equipment that he felt felt vital for making music? It just all became to easy for him, he didn't think it was right. Kids just picking up horns and play like master by high school. He knew what had to be done. The design was destroyed. He never spoke of it again and he slowly started to implement changes in his trumpets manufacturing, making them not quite as as good as they could be (leaky valves and slides poor soldering, inconsstences where ever he could fit. But he allways kept them good enough that if you really know how to work with one could sound like the best.

    As for the design of that mouthpiece and that man that invented it know one knows. His name has been lost, and nothing is remembered about him. Some say it was Satan come to design a mouthpiece players would sell their souls for. Others say it was Dave Monette, traveling back in time to try and better trumpet kind. Still others say...... that I drink to much and have poor spelling and grammar.

    Beleive what you like......... ooooooooh :twisted: :evil: :twisted:
  6. R.A.S.

    R.A.S. Pianissimo User

    Oct 13, 2004
    Woodbury, Minnesota
    Great stories!
    Did you notice that Schilke gets right up next to 4 in its' numbering system, and then stops at 5A4a??

    And think about the companies that do have mouthpieces numbered with a 4:
    Marcinkiewicz - kind of a mediocre, in-between sized rim
    Purviance - way too popular to really be any good as a lead mouthpiece
    Wick - sounds like a cornet to me
    Stork & Warburton - they are always careful to put a letter with it

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