Bach Strad poor purchase

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Chief X, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. TrumpetMD

    TrumpetMD Fortissimo User

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    Again, sorry about your troubles. Yes, I missed that part of your post. My oversight, of course. And I hope you find a satisfactory resolution.

    I believe you when you say you didn't mean to say that all Bach valves are horrible. But I will say that I reacted to your statement that you purchased a Stradivarius, and needless to say, it was the worst purchase you made. And while it may not have been your intention, this can easily be interpreted as a blanket statement. This may be the reason why you're not getting "useful tips" from everyone.

    Mike
     
  2. gbshelbymi

    gbshelbymi Mezzo Piano User

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    If it were me I would be ALL OVER Musician's Friend to get them to make this right. They may think this is a trumpet and therefore a small part of their market. But customer service is customer service regardless of what products you're talking about. So I would be making it clear that I could make things very uncomfortable for them in the social spaces. Websites, Facebook pages, Better Business Bureau, etc. etc. etc. And not just for Musician's Friend. I'd also let them know that I know their other affiliated businesses: Woodwind and Brasswind. Mouthpiece Express. Guitar Center. And that things could get ugly on and/or about those sites as well. Good luck!
     
  3. Vulgano Brother

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    I would suggest getting a good, non toxic degreaser for the valves; a private message to trumpetsplus, Brekelefuw and musicalmason might provide some good tips. I "broke in" valves by using no lubrication and watching TV for a half hour, pushing the valves up and down, and wiping them off with a soft rag every few minutes. I would then clean the casings as well and add a light oil--in my case, Charcoal Lighter Fluid. Back to the TV, wiping down the valves as before and adding oil. I would once again clean the casings and degrease the valves and casings with a soapy wash, rinse and let air dry. Would then use a regular valve oil and start playing, wiping down the valves often and reoiling, as well as adding a few drops of oil into the leadpipe. Would continue to wipe down once a day and in less than a week the valves were usually idiot proof.

    Tony Scodwell recommended lapping the valves using Lava Soap as an abrasive. I only used that on my DEG Signature C trumpet (pretty rare: Tony and Walt Johnson were involved in the design) and despite a great blow and sound had fickle valves. The 1980's Jupiters had sticky valves too, and discovered late that La Tromba worked just fine on them. My Elkhardt Bach D had fine valves, but took me years to get it to play reasonably in tune (a mouthpiece thing).

    With a new trumpet, you might wish to pursue a lightweight synthetic oil.

    Good luck!
     
  4. gzent

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    Since you are already cleaning and using one of the best oils on the market, you are stuck with sending it to a specialist like Dr. Valve,
    or selling it and eating your loss. Man, I feel sorry for you, I've never had a not-vintage/old horn with these problems.

    It is stories like your's that really make a person shy away from a BS horn.
     
  5. SteveRicks

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    I'm with Greg. Instead of arguing whether Bachs are good or bad, or trying every possible self fix remedy, carry it back where you bought it and tell them to make it right. They can either work on the valves and get them working or give you another horn. I just looked in my Kanstul case and there was warranty card in it. Surely, surely Strad has a warranty. I can't imagine any shop that wants to stay in business that wouldn't fix it. Worse case scenario, call the Bach main office. They don't want dealers not honoring warranties.
     
  6. tobylou8

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    Not knowing your location, Sam Ash sells Strads and you can play before you buy. Very "Stand Up" company. I would be boiling after spending that kind of bread and have those issues! Hope you are able to resolve it to your satisfaction.
     
  7. chef8489

    chef8489 Piano User

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    not knowing the whole situation, but musicianfriends has a 45 day return policy on instruments. I have only ever had great service from them. See if they will make it right.
     
  8. Dr.Mark

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    Hi Masterwannabe,
    You stated:
    "I am curious about this comment. I have seen horns that if the valves were pushed slightly off-center their performance was less than stellar.
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    Yes, a person can make almost any valve stick or become resistant if the valves are pushed off-center.
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    I became friends with a player that when ever he looked at a horn the first thing he did was to depress the valves all the way around the button not on center.
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    Interesting.
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    He said a good valve should work equally well all the way around and if it didn't there was a problem with the valve.
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    Absolutley. But that's to test the soundness of the valves and the person you are referring to probably knew to not gorilla grip the valve casing and my guess is that he would test the valves with the trumpet at different angles. That's a bit different than depressing the valves in a less than optimum way(unless I'm reading this wrong which is highly possible). Some of us can play the trumpet at any angle but we make sure the valves are being struck as straight down as possible and not at an angle. I'm guessing that your friend angled the horn, he didn't angle the striking of the valve.
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    I see some logic in what he says because it seems that it would be impossible to always hit the center but then again.
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    Yes that's true. That's why when you watch Alison Balsom and many of the symphony players, the horn is angled to the right just a little as a way to make easier to strike the valves straight down.
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    Hope this helps
    Dr.Mark
     
  9. Masterwannabe

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    One thing I noticed the last time my friend checked a horn was that he actually set the horn in his lap (valves vertical) not even gripping it and depressed the valves. I know if one wanted to you could press enough off-center to make almost any valve stick, I never actually thought about the gorilla grip you mention, I don't grip my horn that hard. I did go check the valves several different ways on both my 38B and '56 Victor and I really had to work at making them stick and I do hold my horn at an angle (valve caps pointing to about 1 o'clock). As I think about this more it would seem that the longer the valve the less problems one might have, correct? I have noticed on some of the horns I have worked on there is definitely a difference in piston lengths but I sure haven't seen them all.
     
  10. -C-

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    Chief X, when you oil the valves do you just pull them half out and oil from the top? My Strad valves tend to stick after cleaning and I found that I have to oil the bottom of the valve casings the first few times as well as the valves themselves.
     

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