rowuk sez: We improve by practicing more and making a bigger deal out of music. There is no "better sound by the numbers". ------------ You're spot on as usual. Make a bigger deal out of the music. However Unless I'm reading the second part wrong, I'd have to disagree. There are "better sound by the numbers" ways to develop a better sound. A lot of that has to do with getting the most sound out of the trumpet they have. A person's sound develops just like any other aspect of their playing through time. A person in 8th grade will probably "sound" different than when they are 34 pending they continue to play. Yes I agree that the basic color palate will might be there in both ages but the refinement of the basic sound can be profound. As for "by the numbers" I would suggest that there's a by the numbers way of getting the best sound out of the trumpet they have. I've helped people go from a dark lifeless sound to a vibrate sound by simply suggesting that they do basic things like bending the note to find where the horn seems to sound best. Breathing (I always talk about circle of breath, thank you!) and imagry, Imagine that you are singing when you play.