Ballerina Dance

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  1. tpter1

    tpter1 Forte User

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    Manny- Where and how do you breathe in this? I am trying to breathe after the eighth before the lyric portions, but I can't seem to get the quick breath in so I don't lose tempo, and as you well know, this shortness of breath is causing me to tense up in the neck region (I feel my shoulders going up); all kinds of problems then follow (rushing, loss of flexibility, loss of direction of line as concentration loses focus).

    Also, am I out of line to use the Eb?
     
  2. Manny Laureano

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    Glenn,

    I breathe all over the place in that excerpt! I wrote a fairly extensive tome about snatching the quick breath based on a Jacobs exercise. I searched for that sucker and couldn't find it!

    I did find a lot of other breathing stuff I hope will help.


    http://www.trumpetmaster.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2729&highlight=arnold+jacobs+quick+fast+breath


    http://www.trumpetmaster.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4274&highlight=fast+quick+breaths


    http://www.trumpetmaster.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4133&highlight=fast+quick+breaths


    http://www.trumpetmaster.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4113&highlight=fast+quick+breaths


    http://www.trumpetmaster.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3722&highlight=fast+quick+breaths


    Good luck,
    ML
     
  3. tpter1

    tpter1 Forte User

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    Manny- That actually helped quite a bit, thanks. I remembered, after reading you link Ballerina Dance and Pictures (Promenade and Samuel Golednburg and Schmuyle) an excercise I read posted by someone else; it was in relation to the Promenade quick breath idea. Subdivide the excerpt into 16ths, and then breathe on the last 16th. Hard, but helpful.

    I applied this to the Stravinsky; then tried it with Goldenburg and Schmuyle, but did triplet and 2 sixteenths, eliminating the grace notes at first. I can manage to work in quite a few breaths now. For me, the key is to make the grace notes pop as quickly as possible; especially the upper neighbor ones.

    I just wanted to share that; any others reading this may find that helpful, too.

    I had quite a productive practice session. Thanks.
     
  4. Manny Laureano

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    Great, Glenn,

    That was the thread i was looking for!

    ML
     
  5. Paul Randall

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    Glenn,

    Not to horn in on Manny's forum, but I couldn't help adding my 2 cents worth on this. I have always played the ballerina dance in 1 breath. As you noted it's difficult to grab a breath and not destroy the pulse. Now, after playing many years with many other fine trumpet players I really don't think my lung capacity is unusually large, though I admit I have never had it measured. If you have a reasonable lung capacity you should be able to do it. If you can't, you're probably playing too loud and too unfocused in your sound production. The excerpt should be light anyway, so try practicing it softer and take a BIG breath.

    Paul R
     
  6. tpter1

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    Paul-that's an interesting approach. I'll try it in practicing and see how that feels; I also met with my old college professor earlier this week, and he helped me notice that: 1. I need to be more pointed and drier with the articulations (that rang a bell...I remember Manny saying that Stravinsky is "wood; Brahms and Bruckner are butter"); 2. I was rushing the sixteenths. After accurately placing the sixteenths, many problems subsided; it was as helpul as the subdivided approach. After a few times through with a relentless metronome, I feel much better.
     

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