Best way to sort out mixed up valves...

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by vntgbrslvr, Jan 17, 2011.

  1. vntgbrslvr

    vntgbrslvr Piano User

    Oct 10, 2008
    Waukesha, Wisconsin
    I decided to post this because I saw a different thread discussing how long it took several members to fix valves (primarily un-numbered valves) when they were mixed up.

    I've had this happen, and found a good systematic way to approach the problem with any valved instrument....It' important to follow the directions carefully in step by step progression.

    1. Start at the valve that the lead pipe feeds into. This is the third valve on most modern trumpets/cornets, but it can be the first valve on varying models.

    2. Test each valve in that valve casing by installing the valve, then blowing air through the lead-pipe. When air moves freely with the valve in both up and down positions, you've found the correct valve for that particular casing (As mentioned elsewhere on the forum, some valve types can click into position two is correct, the other is 180 degrees off from correct. If you have an instrument type that will do this, be sure to try the valve 180 degrees different to be certain it doesn't work in that direction.) test valves accordingly until you find the correct valve for this specific casing.

    3. Move to the next closest valve casing and repeat step 2 until you have all three done. Should take less than 10 minutes. Essentially a process of elimination starting at the beginning where the lead-pipe feeds into the valve block.

    Hope this helps someone save time in the future :)

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  2. larry tscharner

    larry tscharner Forte User

    Apr 30, 2010
    dubuque iowa
    Thanks Brian. You learn something new every day. Best wishes.
  3. Trumpet Dreamer

    Trumpet Dreamer Mezzo Forte User

    Aug 14, 2010
    Jazz Town, USA
    Absolutely! My Jupiter's pistons are not crazy is that? Always wondered how to sort them out.
  4. A.N.A. Mendez

    A.N.A. Mendez Utimate User

    Oct 25, 2005
    Sunny Ca.
    Ok, but how do I know where the 3rd one goes?

  5. gordonfurr1

    gordonfurr1 Forte User

    Aug 2, 2010
    North Carolina
    Der..I was wondering about that third one, too. WAIT...there are THREE VALVES?
  6. barliman2001

    barliman2001 Fortissimo User

    Jul 5, 2010
    Vienna, Austria, Europe
    OK. Now I know you're a viola player posing as a trumpeter.
  7. Sethoflagos

    Sethoflagos Utimate User

    Aug 7, 2013
    Lagos, Nigeria
    I'm afraid I've now been oiling valves for so long that I can recognise them pretty much at a glance (I call them twenty-to-eight, midnight, and four-lane-ends).

    How sad is that?
  8. Kevin Whiting

    Kevin Whiting Piano User

    Apr 13, 2013
    Greendale, WI.
    Or you can get yourself an Olds SuperStar. Valves are interchangeable.

  9. A.N.A. Mendez

    A.N.A. Mendez Utimate User

    Oct 25, 2005
    Sunny Ca.
    Never mind..... I'll just take up trombone... :-)
  10. Dale Proctor

    Dale Proctor Utimate User

    Jul 20, 2006
    Heart of Dixie
    If the valves are unnumbered, pull them out one by one and scribe the number somewhere on the spring barrel. No need to worry about sorting them out after that.
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