Bflat Bach Bells.

Discussion in 'Horns' started by dbacon, Nov 27, 2003.

  1. dbacon

    dbacon Mezzo Piano User

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    Bach Bells are very special in how differently they sound and perform.

    25 Bell=Smallest flair, comes standard on LB Bachs.

    37 Bell=Sweetest sounding bell, standard for years on ML Bachs. A little more flair than the 25.

    43 Bell=Seems more projecting than the other bells, a LT 43 works great for Lead work.

    72 Bell=Largest flair, seems more fullness and thickness to the sound.

    38 Bell=Tighter than the others. I've only played one, a guy from the rodeo had one. Very bright.

    65 Bell=Dark, lot's of lower overtones.

    I have a 72LT on my old LB Bach, got it after I heard Ernie Royal play! He played one and sounded magnificent! Bernie Glow had one as well. That's the sound I love. I also have a great 37 bell on a ML 43LR. Beautiful sound. Bach Bells are the best.
     
  2. Jeroen Jongeling

    Jeroen Jongeling Pianissimo User

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    Hey Dave,

    Nice to see there's a Bach forum (finally). If almost every trumpetmanufacturer that makes five horns a year has one, why not give Bach his own, right?
    A question: I've been playing a Bflat 37ML my whole trumpet playing life. I don't play much Bflat anymore, but I'm interested in maybe getting another horn. I've always been interested in the warmth of the 72 bell.

    What I would like to know is, if I can get a 72 bell on a normal ML bore, instead of MLV, and will this work? I can imagine that they don't have this combination by accident, maybe the 72 bell only works with the MLV bore?

    I've seen a couple of nice horns on Ebay with a 72 bell, but they didn't say ML or MLV. I know I can mail those people to ask, but I would like to know from people on TM with good playing skills and who have experience with a 72ML. All ears...

    Jeroen.
     
  3. dbacon

    dbacon Mezzo Piano User

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    The 72 bell on a ML Bach Bflat is an excellent option. Depending on what you use it for (I'm guessing more orchestral work) a 72HG bell on a regular weight body would give you some tonal possibilities for a large ensemble. 72 bells are broader in sound and fullness, the flair being more immediate and staying larger to the bell skirting. A heavy weight Goldbrass bell gives you more of the lower harmonic series and won't breakup at full volume forte. A bit more air will be needed to get the response, but the result can be worth it. For lighter Quintet playing the 37 bell on a light weight body can work well, depending on your mouthpiece etc. You can order from Dillons a Bach ML/72 bell all regular weight. For me I'd get the 25O pipe, a more open pipe that encourages plenty of air flow.
     
  4. Jeroen Jongeling

    Jeroen Jongeling Pianissimo User

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    I'm a "sub" (first call) for a couple of symphony orchestras here in The Netherlands. So, I would use the Bflat mostly as a classical player. I, however, would like to cut through a band once in a while, but I guess that's why I would still have the 37ML. What's the story on a 72 with a reversed leadpipe?
     
  5. dbacon

    dbacon Mezzo Piano User

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    That would probably be the 25LR/72LT, it would show a * on the bell. Without the * it's a regular weight bell on a Light Weight Body. LR pipes are usually placed with Light Weight Body's. The 25 is the stock LR pipe. You could get a very good trumpet as the 25LR/72 bell, regular weight bell on LT body with the 25LR pipe. It would take 4-6 months to get from Dillons or whoever, but they would get it for you. Probably a very responsive trumpet with some broadness to the sound. Should be no problem projecting!
     
  6. dbacon

    dbacon Mezzo Piano User

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    http://www.giardinelli.com/srs7/sid...rass/s=trumpet/search/detail/base_pid/461800/


    Looks like Giardinelli's has one in stock!
     
  7. Jeroen Jongeling

    Jeroen Jongeling Pianissimo User

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    Thanks for all your info Dave! I think I'm going to look for a ML72 reversed on Ebay, or the Horntrader. No rush...
     
  8. dbacon

    dbacon Mezzo Piano User

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    Sounds great! Keep us posted on your progress.
     
  9. Jeroen Jongeling

    Jeroen Jongeling Pianissimo User

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    Or maybe a large bore...I want a Bflat horn that combines better with my large bore C horn. I'm not sure about the 25 bell that comes standard with a large bore. Guess I just have to try it all. Another possibility is to get a Bflat horn from the same manufacturer that made my custom C horn. You can read some info about him on my website. I'll keep you posted.

    Jeroen.
     
  10. Larry Gianni

    Larry Gianni Piano User

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    Hi all,

    I have an early Elhart C ( 31,xxx ) with a 238 G bell. I understand it's a vinabonna bell , but what's your opinion on how it will play on a L bore C trumpet. The bell is tuneble. What would you consider to be a more appropiate bell . I have a 25 reversed leadpipe on it.

    Also, I have a Mt. Vernon C ( ML ) with a 236 bell . Again it's tuneble, plus has a #7 Bach leadpipe on it. The reciever is the NY Bach style ( long ) so it might have been replaced along the way to me.

    Can you give me your opinions of these set-ups. ?

    Thanks

    Larry

    If you have time, here's another one:

    Mt Vernon Eb/D Bach which has a tuneble bell with a 311 bell. M bore.
    I'm not woried because of the medium bore because my Schilke Eb / D and Schilke 4 valve Eb are also M bores. The schilkes play much bigger than the Bach. These trumpet get a much more " oratorio " type sound.


    Could you modify this one to play better?

    Opinions ?

    Thanks for you time.
     

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