Bobby Shew Lead vs. Schielke

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  1. IronClaymor3

    IronClaymor3 Banned

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    I am about to buy a lead mouthpiece and was wondering which one I should get. I've been hearing great things about both.
     
  2. willbarber

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    Which Schilke?
     
  3. IronClaymor3

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    i think it's a 144a.
     
  4. Pete

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    There are the Yamaha Shew Lead and Marcinkiewicz Shew mouthpieces. The later has the Shew models 2, 1.75, 1.5, 1.25, and 1. The 2 is the deepest, and the 1 is the shallowest of the series.The 2 is not really a deep mouthpiece, but deeper than the rest of the series. I think that the Yamaha Lead and the Marcinkiewicz 1 are exactly the same depth, which is extremely shallow for me. The Schile 14A4a has more cup room, and I would think that the Schilke has a wider inside diameter than the Shew models of both brands.

    You have to try them. You are the only one that will be able to determine the correct one for you.

    Pete
     
  5. Trumpet1Ohio

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    I agree with Pete. You really need to play them to know what works and feels right to you. I play on a Shew Lead and really like it. I used to play on a Schilke 13A4A and preferred it over the 14A4A. The diameter of the 14 was too large for me. What are you playing on now. Compare the diameter of what you're currently playing on with the ones you're considering. I wouldn't make a drastic change. Also, you might want to consider not going too shallow right away. I've played on the Marcinkiewicz Shew 1.5....it's a nice mpc and you'll be able to make the transition more easily than jumping into a Shew Lead or a Marc 1.0. Good luck
     
  6. rowuk

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    Why do questions like this keep coming up? Are there trumpet teachers that think that mouthpieces can be bought by the numbers - or students that don't get the answers that they want to hear and therefore go on line?

    IronClaymore,
    if you don't know out of your own first hand experience what mouthpiece you are going to buy, and WHY, then you are wasting your time. One does not make a decision "to buy" a lead mouthpiece. One works their way up in an ensemble, and if they are paying attention, pick up the pieces of info as they go along. In that process many things become clear - mostly involving attitude, practice routine and other things that really count. Lead mouthpieces are specialty equipment for prepared specialist players. Quite often they involve a sacrifice in sound that limits the type of ensembles that a player can play in. Nobody in a symphonic wind band or orchestra digs the idea of a laser tone destroying the ensemble sound!

    We don't know anything about you, your playing or anything else. We also don't know whether to believe what we read on the internet. To recommend anything makes no sense. A lead mouthpiece is only good to brighten your sound way up. The rest has to be earned like with anything else trumpet.

    For players used to standard or deep mouthpieces, shallow lead type mouthpieces require a whole new type of playing. The ears get fed things that they are not used to hearing, the brain tries and compensate for what the ears hear and in many cases, the playing falls apart until new habits are built.

    Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with lead mouthpieces - only in the hands of players that know why!
     
  7. Solar Bell

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    As I have stated before....

    Do NOT buy a lead mouthpiece!!!!!!!!

    Lead has been proven to cause illness!

    Lead poisoning is very serious.

    Buy a brass mouthpiece that is silver plated, or splurge and go for gold plating!

    Plastic is also an option.

    And be sure.........no plastic or silver plated or even gold plated brass mouthpiece is going to make you a high note wizard!!!

    For that you need a LEAD MOUTHPIECE!!!!!!!!

    ....and you already know how I feel about lead mouthpieces, you should never get one because of the potential for........nevermind.

    BTW

    Some people have made a mouthpiece from wood, but I don't care for the timbre......

    There are also mouthpieces made from clay, but they tend to sound muddy....

    Stainless steel mouthpieces can sound very hard...

    Porcelain mouthpieces have a fragile sound....

    Anyway, save the lead for bullets!
     
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  8. Pete

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    This is true. Unfortunately, there is so much misinformation eveywhere, that these young players are led down the wrong path. Many don't have trumpet teachers, just group band instruction. This is a current day malady associated with learning to play the trumpet in public schools. Getting private lessons from a good teacher has been thrown out the window. Parents expect the schools to do eveything, including having expertise in teaching the trumpet. Knowing the fingerings doesn't make you a trumpet player/teacher, but this is a subject for another post.

    The magic mouthpiece, the "classical" trumpet, the 'jazz" trumpet, the lead mouthpiece, etc. are terms so easily thrown around that many of these young players don't have a clue as to what to actually do.

    Many good players play lead trumpet on mouthpieces that are not considered lead trumpet mouthpieces. Some play on a Bach 3C, some on a Bach 3D, some on a Monette B6. Others play on the Marcinkiewicz Shew 1, or Monette MF III. The best fit is what works for you. Trumpet1Ohio suggested not going too shallow right away. Good advice.

    Rowuk's quote above is also something to ponder: It would be like putting a 9.5 EEE foot into 9.5 D shoe. It won't work out too well for you.

    Pete
     
  9. rowuk

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    Pete,
    maybe I am too conservative, but I do not buy into the victim of circumstance story. Not every person with a trumpet was BORN to be an artist. Some just want to have fun.On the other hand, top players can come from the poorest neighborhoods. It depends on talent, luck, personal drive and many other factors that we can influence.

    In these financially trying times the BIGGEST mistake that we can make is to believe that externals can solve problems. WE have to do what is necessary regardless of the situation. There are no musical limits for the interested, group lessons or not. TM can help by telling it like it is. The truth is not always what we want to hear, but for those that choose to ignore it, life has its own surprises.
     
  10. Pete

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    Rowuk,

    I agree with you completely. I'm just sharing my observations, and perceptions that some people have.

    Pete
     

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