Body Reactions to the High Range

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Mark_Kindy, Sep 29, 2012.

  1. turtlejimmy

    turtlejimmy Utimate User

    Jun 6, 2010
    My bars might be too long. :dontknow:

    Or, I could be spending too much time in them.

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  2. chierholzer

    chierholzer New Friend

    May 31, 2012
    We had built in risers in our rehearsal room in college. I would put one foot up on the riser behind me to play anything above E above high C.
  3. kingtrumpet

    kingtrumpet Utimate User

    Sep 20, 2009
    New York State USA
    Yeah, my jaw hurts the next day after I try playing high notes (anything above the high C area). Actually I do that "sphincter thing" -- although I call it tightening the buttocks, and firming the stomach cavity to compress my air. Whether that is what happens or not, I don't know -- BUT I definitely tighten the lower body, while I try to keep the air, upper body, lips and such ---- loose and relaxed.
    FOR ME -- I sometime end up coughing after a high note run -- and my lungs burn a bit!!!! ---- but I think, I am just giving it all I have, which apparently isn't much!!!!!!! ROFL ROFL ROFL
  4. richtom

    richtom Forte User

    Dec 7, 2003
    Maynard Ferguson had a specific place for his feet and his body followed form. His face may have contorted a bit, but that was simply because of the enormous control of the muscles he needed to play THAT high with THAT incredible volume and size of his sound.
    Sorry, but your face should not contort much beyond your normal mid-register face.
    Years back, I remember watching Doc Severinsen play a G above high C with one hand and cutting the band off with the other. By golly, his face didn't change much at all.
    What all the above means, is you have not become efficient in the high register. From a few feet away, I've seen Nick Drozdoff absolutely paste double Cs without any contortions at all. Saw Roger Ingram from less than 10 feet away, while he was sitting down, go well above double C with little change in his face from the one in the middle register.
    Folks, the high register is the most difficult to achieve and to play properly. Any tension in your body will cause your air flow to choke off making your face muscles and other muscles that are not to be involved in the high register to make a valiant attempt and doing something they can't.
    Some folks never get the hang of it.
    Rich T.
  5. Ed Lee

    Ed Lee Utimate User

    Aug 16, 2009
    Jackson NC
    Once upon a time, I could feel air hitting my palette, but not anymore since I've now a full denture, but with any exertion it seems my nose clogs up and drips, especially a short time after I remove my O2 cannula.

    Then too, look at Louis Armstrong ... watch closely ... he was not only holding the trumpet with a handkerchief, he also wiped his brow ... AND HIS NOSE and then would reach for a clean handerchief, the last in film clips ending on the cutting room floor.

    Yes, many years ago when I was running 5 and 10Ks, when I stopped it seemed my nose kept running seemingly endlessly for about 5 - 10 minutes. Why worry about what occurs naturally!
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2012
  6. kingtrumpet

    kingtrumpet Utimate User

    Sep 20, 2009
    New York State USA
    anyways --- on a tangent, as I am so frequent of doing --- while playing the trombone last night (the trombone for me takes considerably more effort/air) than my trumpet --- whether I am not playing it efficiently or it just takes more air is irrelevant. Anyways -- I felt similiar things to the trumpet, tightening my lower body to get air compression/ support, and sucking in lots of air, which can be felt in my lungs, and my eyes even watered a bit. NOW I was NOT going gonzo on the high note trombone thing (OK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT) ---
  7. Dave Hughes

    Dave Hughes Mezzo Forte User

    Oct 19, 2010
    Rochester, NY
    I used to play with so much compression that after a high passage I'd sometimes blow out a slight "fog" of water vapor. This compression and muscle tension had some bad side effects, as I used to get really bad sinus headaches as well. Once I learned to relax the air, arch the tongue up, shrink the lip aperture, play down on the note, and relax my shoulders (which I'll admit I still don't always do) the massive compression problems went away.
  8. kingtrumpet

    kingtrumpet Utimate User

    Sep 20, 2009
    New York State USA
    wow -- it sounds so easy now!!!!!!!!!!!
  9. Dave Hughes

    Dave Hughes Mezzo Forte User

    Oct 19, 2010
    Rochester, NY
    Hardest change I ever made...I had range that way, and wasn't sure I could get it any other way.
  10. gmonady

    gmonady Utimate User

    Jan 28, 2011
    Dayton, Ohio
    Better that than a gas release from the "sphincter thing", which would make another part of the anatomy burn.

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