Thanks Trickg, good stuff there. I might look for something to join around here that'll get me into a lap pool. And thanks, Rowuk, for that really nice "circle of breath." I do a lot of those long tones anyway, might as well pair it up with a focus on breathing and relaxing. It seems to me that it's good to give extra attention to breath control, as that's one of the most essential things to trumpet playing. I think I'll put that in my daily warmup. About the "toooh" sort of tonguing, as opposed to the "tah" sort that my teacher got me doing first lesson .... I tried that out and I like it a lot better. With "tah", the tongue comes down and that's a good thing I guess for tone and an open throat, but it doesn't really encourage the air to flow right away. With "toooh" it seems like the tongue doesn't go so much down as come back in the throat, encouraging the air to go. I like that. I'm going to clear it with my private instructor first then switch. I can't imagine he'd mind if it works better for me. The Turtle _____________ "You have to come out of your shell to breathe fully."