Breathing?

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by adamrapa, Jul 12, 2008.

  1. RodrigoXGB

    RodrigoXGB New Friend

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    The Arnold Jacobs Breathing Devices in Welcome to WindSong Press, the effective form to seriously practice the breathing.
     
  2. MPM

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    To answer Adams question yes focusing on breathing efficiently is a very important part or my daily practice. I refer to the link below for The Hindu-Yogi Science Of Breath. It makes for very good reading, and helps greatly in relaxation, which is the key (RELAXATION) to efficient breathing where trumpet playing is concerned.

    The Science of Breath

    The way I like to approach my breathing can be seen if you check out the you tube clips of Jim Manley with the Air Men Of Note trumpets.

    YouTube - Jim Manley - Approach to Air & Airmen of Note trumpets

    YouTube - Jim Manley & Airmen of Note trumpets hang

    The above should be the links to them. As I'm touring, if time permits, I like to shedule lessons on the road for anyone interested. That's some of the stuff I try to cover.

    Below is a lift from the MF Forum. Part of the tour scheduke is there, plus a link to the Jimmy Dorsey band schedue, which I'll be on mid April to mid March.


    Michael Manthey hang - Maynard Ferguson and General Music - All - Maynard Ferguson Board - Message Board - Yuku

    All the best, and I hope to see some of you on the road.

    Trumpet Player Michael Manthey of Sacramento, California
     
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  3. adamrapa

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    "Adam, whatever effect "crimping the hose" has,
    it does NOT add to air pressure at all!"
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    OK, I can see the can of worms this has opened up, and I should have expected it. Here I was just offering some friendly and hopefully helpful advice on mindful breathing, and now I find myself in a situation where (in the name of science, of course) I'm expected to defend my statement about the use of my tongue and how it factors into my technique. Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you guys but I'm not going to spend the time - at least not right now. I have a very full plate as it is, and it would take quite some time to craft a message that deals with (and counter-argues) all of the above "knowledge" you dispensed which absolutely contradicts how I play the trumpet. I'd rather spend my time playing, or getting paid to help other people play better, which is what's on the calendar for today.

    I'll say this however: Sofus, discussing the role of the tongue in your playing and mine is like comparing apples and spaceships. By what you've said, I can clearly see that we play in very different ways. I use ZERO lip tension inside the cup of the mouthpiece. My lips are essentially flapping in the breeze from rim to shining rim - whether it's a pedal C or a double D. Yes, ponder that for a moment.....

    Aside from changing the trajectory of my airstream with a miniscule movement of the bottom lip, what controls the note I'm playing is 100% the shape of my tongue. Every note is a result of a different shape, which gives the airstream its varying speed and volume. SPEED of air and AMOUNT of air are two different things of course. And since there's a very large variable that your playing and mine does not have in common - lip tension inside the cup - we go about controlling these two things in a very different way.

    As I said, I'm not really interested in spelling this out from A to Z here. I am frightened that so many people are willing to dispense opinions and misunderstood information with such dogmatic force. I'm no missionary, bent on converting other people to play the way that I do. And for me, trumpet technique is neither a platform for philosophical debate or intellectual sparring, so I've clearly wandered into the wrong place.

    If any of you would like one-on-one coaching on how to improve your tone quality, flexibility, range, endurance or anything else - you can reach me through my website: www.adamrapa.com

    May we all approach life with a child-like sense of curiosity, excitement and wonder.

    Adam
     
  4. B15M

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    And again we play, piss off the pro.
    Why can't we just listen and learn?
     
  5. B15M

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    When I was little I saw a sign that said "free Kittens"
    My father saw the sign and said "Nobody is going to take those cats"
    I asked why and he told me that things have to have value. When someone gets something for free they don't think it's worth anything.

    He said:"they need to charge 2 dollars for a kitten and they will sell"

    Maybe it should cost 20 bucks to read the pro posts.
     
  6. RobertSlotte

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  7. Sofus

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    That is so great, and it is also how I take it.
    Nothing can be more important in a forum like this than
    when fantastic players like you share your experiences.

    I sometimes think that I also have something to share.
    That´s what I thought in this case . . .


    This "knowledge" is shared by many phycisists, Adam. Mind you,
    I have not commented on your PLAYING. I have only tried to
    clarify some physical circumstances.


    I never said anything about My lips, but you seem to know
    things about them anyway. Please feel free to tell me more
    about what you know about them (I´m not being sarcastic!).


    And RobertSlotte:

    SO AM I!! Believe it Adam, so am I!

    If trashtalk is what I talk, and if trash is what I say, then
    I´d REALLY like to know what part of what I´ve said that
    is trash and also in what way it is trash.
    Please DO explain, Robert!

    A good trumpeter doesn´t have to base his believes on the
    laws of physics (in fact, very few do) but as an engineer, I
    tend to react when I hear things that are in conflict with these
    laws.

    I believ Adam when he sais that he wants to share his knowledge
    with the forum members.

    SO DO I!


    So, if there is going to be so much prestige in who is right and
    who is not, and if the words of one person is more important
    than the word of another, then maybe some of us should stop
    sharing what we believe we could share.


    Finally, Adam and Robert, making enemies is easy, making friends
    is harder. I do NOT want to have any of you as my newly found
    enemy, but my choise will always be; either tell things the way
    I (and, in this case, the physical laws) see things OR be quiet.

    I hope we´re still all friends!


    :grouphug:
     
  8. RobertSlotte

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  9. Sofus

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    Sorry, Robert!

    I AM an (paranoid?) idiot sometimes . . .:-(
     
  10. RobertSlotte

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    It´s all cool...no hard feelings here :)
     

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