Thanks Robert I would LOVE to be proven wrong, because that's a small step forward for science, but until then... Siar, I hear your pain! If your dependable C is the one two ledger lines above the staff, then you certainly don't count in this "study." Also, this hypothesis by no means proven, and it's NOT the only reason why someone might not have good range. If you could send me a picture of triceritops that would be great. Make sure he's NOT smiling and he hasn't been playing hard right before. Bill M. yeah, I have a friend who wants me to play sax. I played clarinet in college for woodwinds and did OK. I certainly can't blame my chops on an instrument like that since the reed does the vibrating. I'm playing piano and violin now, but I would like to find a wind instrument at some point. Maybe bassoon. I did play my nieces alto and that was a kick. I'll let you know... Does the sax player get the girls? That's what I heard.