Charlier Etudes cross-references

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  1. robertwhite

    robertwhite Mezzo Piano User

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    Hi folks,

    I learned from someone on the TH that newer editions of Charlier's 36 Trancendental Etudes do not include the famous "footnotes" where Charlier recommends supplemental/preparatory etudes for his own.

    I went through and typed out what's in the older edition of Charlier, so if you have a newer book, you might find this helpful with regard to "what else?" to practice. I don't know why Leduc would have omitted this information, but here it is if you need it.

    The etudes Charlier refers students to for supplemental/preparatory studies are:

    G. Balay: 15 Etudes
    Chavanne: Etudes Characteristiques
    Laurent: Etude Pratiques
    A. Petit: Grand Etudes
    Maxime-Alphonse: Etude Nouvelles, bk. 2
    Arban: Characteristic Studies
    (all published by Leduc, but the Arban's are the same in the C.F. edition)

    The specific footnotes are as follows:

    #1 - Articulation
    Laurent: 1
    Maxime-Alphonse: 4

    #2 - Style
    Balay: 4, 8, 13
    Chavanne: 23
    Arban: 2, 8, 12
    Petit: 4, 8

    #3 - Thirds
    Balay: 1, 15
    Chavanne: 1
    Laurent: 1, 5

    #4 - Style
    same as #2

    #5 - Articulation
    Chavanne: 24
    Arban: 8

    #6 - Style
    same as #2

    #7 - Technique
    Balay: 15
    Chavanne: 5, 12
    Max-Alph: 5

    #8 - Fourths
    none

    #9 - Scherzetto
    Balay: 7

    #10 - Rhythm
    none

    #11 - Fantasie (prep etude for Charlier's "Solo de Concours")
    Laurent: 2, 9
    Max-Alph: 2, 18

    #12 - Etude Moderne
    Laurent: 8
    Chavanne: 8

    #13 - Prelude
    Balay: 8
    Petit: 4, 7

    #14 - For the 3rd Finger
    Laurent: 3

    #15 - Fifths
    Max-Alph: 19

    #16 - Double Tonguing
    Balay: 12
    Chavanne: 9, 13, 21
    Laurent: 10
    Petit: 11

    #17 - Sixths
    Chavanne: 24
    Max-Alph: 19

    #18 - Triple Tonguing
    Chavanne: 17, 20
    Balay: 2

    #19 - Sevenths
    Arban: "sevenths"
    Max-Alph: 19

    #20 - "Combined Movements in Varied Rhythms"
    Laurent: 20

    #21 - Octaves
    Chavanne: 3, 4, 5
    Laurent: 13
    Max-Alph: 19

    #22 - Various Tonguings
    Chavanne: 12

    #23 - Arpeggios
    Chavanne: 15
    Balay: 14, 15

    #24 - Trumpet passages from Wagner's works
    none

    #25 - Slurring
    Chavanne: 16
    Arban: 8

    #26 - Chromaticism
    Laurent: 12
    Chavanne: 25
    Arban: 14

    #27 - Fantasie
    none

    #28 - Triple Tonguing
    Chavanne: 18, 19
    Arban: airs varies (the solos, e.g. "Norma", "Carnival", etc.)
    Petit: 12

    #29 - The Mordent
    Chavanne: 11

    #30 - Marche
    Laurent: 16

    #31 - Double Tonguing
    Laurent: 5
    Petit: 11

    #32 - Slurring through Harmonics
    Balay: 14, 15
    Laurent: 6
    Max-Alph: 14
    Petit: 3, 10

    #33 - Triple Tonguing
    Balay: 10
    Chavanne: 17, 18, 20, 25
    Petit: 12

    #34 - Fantasie Rythmique
    Balay: 12
    Max-Alph: 7, 13, 15, 17
    Laurent: 10

    #35 - Slurring Etude
    Laurent: 6
    Max-Alph: 14
    Petit: 10

    #36 - Trills
    Arban: p. 111 (Carl Fischer edition. In the Leduc, it's bk. 2, p. 91)
    Chavanne: 6
     
  2. sublmbadfish

    sublmbadfish Pianissimo User

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    so thats waht all that french is...thanks for finding that...i have to get an english translation...any1 know where i can get just the writing sections in english???
     
  3. MGTrumpet

    MGTrumpet New Friend

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    Google "Charlier Translation" and the first one returned should be a link to the translation that was provided in the ITG journal a while back.
     
  4. Double_G

    Double_G Pianissimo User

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    May I inquire as to where you bought your Charlier book from? I did need it for an audition I was considering. If this post broke someones train of thought please excuse my stupidity. :D

    Thanks, Andrew.
     

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