Charlier No. 30

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  1. wfrayer46

    wfrayer46 New Friend

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    I am new to this forum, but thought I'd try this post. If I am in the wrong forum, please advise. Thanks!

    Question: Does the quarter remain constant in etude 30 at 108 = quarter or does the dotted quarter equal the quarter note? It makes a difference in the performance of the etude.


    best regards,
    Bill
     
  2. Hugh Anderson

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    The way I read the French at the bottom of the page, the dotted quarter equals the earlier quarter note.
     
  3. wfrayer46

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    Yes, but how do you account for the 2/8 times? I am using the concept of how does it compare to the first few measures in the beat feel. I found this to be the most perplexing study. Especially since, if it were written in just one time signature, it would have been so much easier to read. I am sure Theo Charlier was testing his students on meter reading (and I don't mean for the gas company!) :lol:

    best regards
    Bill
     
  4. wfrayer46

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    If you have played the Charlier 36 Transcendental Etudes, you know No. 30 is a nightmare to read. I know that the quarter note and dotted quarter note are the same beat, but there are other measures in 2/8, 3/8, 6/4, 3/2 etc. that present decisions as to what the beat is. I present to you my solution to see if others agree with the solution I came up with.

    Enjoy No. 30: [URL="If you have played the Charlier 36 Transcendental Etudes, you know No. 30 is a nightmare to read. I know that the quarter note and dotted quarter note are the same beat, but there are other measures in 2/8, 3/8, 6/4, 3/2 etc. that present decisions as to what the beat is. I present to you my solution to see if others agree with the solution I came up with.

    https://soundcloud.com/user3562166/no-30-marche

    *NOTE: You will have to copy the url and paste it in your browser to get to the link. I haven't figured out how to post a link correctly on this Forum*

    Best regards, Bill

    Best regards,
    Bill
     
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  5. Hugh Anderson

    Hugh Anderson Pianissimo User

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    I'd do the 2/8 measures in one, because of the combination of those and the measures before and after. I could argue for doing them in 2 also. I lived and played in Belgium for 14 years, so I should be more help than I am. They played well and sensibly, in my view, but writing and speaking about music they made as complicated as they could- for everyone, not just students. In proper music schools, for example, a kid had to have 2 years of fixed do solfege before being allowed to play a note.
     
  6. wfrayer46

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    Thanks Hugh, I surmised that that is what it said. I am not sure on how to handle the 3/2, 6/4, 2/8 etc. measures.

    Best regards,
    Bill
     
  7. wfrayer46

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    Yipes, I am glad I didn't go to a Belgium school. I have a former student who lives in Belgium now. He is a director of choir at some musical institution (can't remember the name.)

    Bill
     
  8. uconntrpt

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    My understanding is that the beat should remain the same throughout. So, 6/8 should be a beat of a dotted quarter 6/4 should be the quarter note. the 2/8 measure is the one that really raises questions and it seems musically to work best in 2.
     
  9. wfrayer46

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    I agree, just trying to get a consensus. I also believe the 2/8 measure is in two to keep it in the same rhythmic flow of the piece. I also think the 3/8 measures are in three: example measure 70 in 3/8 at the Tempo I implies the same melodic/rhythmic movement as measure 1, making the first 4 measures of the recap identical in sound (rhythmic flow) to the first 4 measures of the etude.

    Thanks for your input.

    Bill
     
  10. mattiasc

    mattiasc Piano User

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    Hi,

    the link asks me to login?

    grz
     

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