How do I feel on cheaters? What note do you need? thats my view. Me and a few others that have above high C resent "cheaters" however anything above a E is typically given to one guy you know? So it doesnt quite matter there, but one of my fellow trumpeters (we dont get along) at my high school on a good day can hit a double C on his 3C he has a natural ability at range and is very good at it. One of my friends has around an E on a good day, and I have about an F on a good day. They play on 3C's I play on a 1.5C. Now just on occasions when either of us wish to play above our normal register we'll whip out one of the ones that we have. Overall for cheaters, I think they help out for certain occasions like playing above high C. But generally I think that these "cheaters" are built for uppper register work, and most people who have them do not play them correctly. As in they dont open up enough, or they dont have enough air support, things like that. I used to use one, and it sounded really good but I was just ever so brighter than the others so I had to give it up.