Chicago C trumpets

Discussion in 'Horns' started by cbdmd, May 31, 2009.

  1. cbdmd

    cbdmd Pianissimo User

    Dec 31, 2007
    East Coast
    Has anyone played the yamaha and bach Chicago C trumpets? Which one did you like better and why? Also, how does the Xeno C trumpet stack up? Thanks to all!:D
  2. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    "Chicago" is a marketing word to give credibility to the association between Bach, Yamaha and what they thought was good for the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. It has NOTHING to do with a specific concept in sound (except perhaps orchestral). Playing one does not bring our playing closer to those members of the orchestra.
    My impression of the Yamaha was big and "zippy" in sound, the 3 Bachs that I played did not give me a reason to sell my CL 229H. I really like the Xeno instruments. Silk to peeling paint is possible. It is a real "alternative" to that mass of "standard" sound that has almost made the orchestral trumpetplayer so standard that they are interchangeable. Nobody would have EVER accused Bill Vacchiano, Bud Herseth, Herb Adelstein, Mundy Ghitalla or Gil Johnson of such. I guess that is what marketing is all about, pushing only a couple of models to keep the profitability up by keeping the choices down. I really admire the players that take the chance and stretch the envelope. It is better for us than we could ever imagine............
    MY choice from the instruments that you mentioned would be the Xeno. You'd never get a job in a major US orchestra with it (in some cases you would not even be invited to audition!), but you would have a palette of colors at your disposal to do an incredible job!
  3. cbdmd

    cbdmd Pianissimo User

    Dec 31, 2007
    East Coast
    Thanks Robin! I always value your opinion.
  4. BenH

    BenH Pianissimo User

    Oct 14, 2008
    Slight threadjack, but is it REALLY that prejudiced?! :shock: I thought Xenos at least were generally accepted?
  5. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    The New York Phil audition a while back dictated Bach and Yamaha. It is documented somewhere here at TM. I think Wilmer posted it.

    If I remember right my response was: "and they're all made out of ticky-tacky and they all look just the same" (from the song little boxes by Melvira Reynolds).
  6. samdaman

    samdaman Pianissimo User

    Jun 15, 2006
    Baltimore, MD
    Well cbdmb, I've tried all of those horns, and to me, hands down, the Yamaha Chicago wins (hence I bought it)! Bachs vary so much in the way they are built and play, that I haven't ever found the perfect one (in my experience). Every Chicago or Xeno I've tried are all very well constructed and quality. The Chicago is just an absolute dream to play! It sounds great, feels great, and is a wonderful tool to make music. Those are my two cents on the subject.
  7. ecarroll

    ecarroll Artist in Residence Staff Member

    Jul 13, 2005

    Many, if not most, top-class orchestra players in N. America are playing the Yamaha Chicago C now. For good reason.

  8. siarr

    siarr Pianissimo User

    May 18, 2007
    Hollywood, FL, USA
    Amen, Ed -

    I've got one of each, and though I do really like the Bach, IMHO it just doesn't come close to the Yamaha Chicago C. That said, the Yamaha NY Bb (at least the one I have) is not that much more fabulous than, say, a good Bach 37, but (but I still prefer it!).

    Best as always,
  9. mchs3d

    mchs3d Mezzo Forte User

    Sep 30, 2005
    Provo, UT
    In an interview with Chris Martin back when he played with Atlanta, he claimed to be playing on a Xeno. I would assume that was the exact same instrument that he auditioned with for the Chicago Symphony. Every member of the CSO plays one of them, I think. So yes, great orchestras seem to be perfectly OK with the sound of Yamaha.
  10. abontrumpet

    abontrumpet New Friend

    May 8, 2009
    I have been playing a Yamaha Chicago C and a Bach Chicago C for 2 weeks, The Yamaha is good, but I think I may have found one of those exceptional Bachs. I am probably going to sell the Yamaha Chicago ... but I am a slave to fashion, so I might just keep the Yamaha... jk, I will play what I sound the best on and that I feel the most comfortable.
    However, I will say that I can play more consistently on the Yamaha, even if I've been playing a little too long, I can still manage similar things as opposed to the Bach where, if I'm not feeling my best, it has no sympathy.

    Both great horns (maybe just an exceptional bach... i did play a Phili with a very close serial number and I couldn't make a sound on it... well... you get the picture).

    My buddy just got into New England Conservatory playing a Xeno. I like my other friend's Xeno better than this Yamaha Chicago.

    Good luck!

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