Choosing The Right Valve Oil

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by bamajazzlady, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. bamajazzlady

    bamajazzlady Mezzo Forte User

    May 16, 2011
    What should I look for in choosing valve oil?
  2. mgcoleman

    mgcoleman Mezzo Forte User

    Jun 22, 2010
    I've always believed:
    Newer valves generally need thinner oil
    Valves with more wear will need thicker oil
    Synthetic oils last longer (or at least no dinosaurs were harmed in the making of the synthetic oil) :)
    Again, those are just my thoughts born of my experience.
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  3. BinaryHulledIon

    BinaryHulledIon Piano User

    Nov 23, 2012
    Spartanburg, SC
    I've never really thought about it. I either use Blue Juice (made locally, not sure on its nationwide availability) or Al Cass Fast, depending on what the store has on hand at the moment. IME, Blue Juice gives me a slightly faster action but doesn't last as long, so it's probably thinner.
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  4. tobylou8

    tobylou8 Utimate User

    Dec 22, 2008
    Your body chemistry may also factor into what works best. Same horn, same oil, different players and it works for one and not the other. I've used Al Cass for years and then Hetman's 1,2,and 3 depending on which horns valves are tight or loose. You just have to experiment with what works best for you.
  5. robrtx

    robrtx Mezzo Forte User

    May 26, 2012
    I believe that synthetic oils lubricate longer than non-synthetic which seem to dry/evaporate more quickly, although I have no evidence to support this belief other than my own perception in using them.

    I personally prefer Hetman's because they make valve oils in a variety of interchangeable viscosities (piston oil 1,2, or 3) as well as slide grease/oil/gel that I can taylor to the needs of a particular instrument based on valve/slide particulars/condition (wear) which seems to work well for me. Price is very reasonable through WWBW and others.

    I also use Ultra Pure synthetic which seems to be a good product, but is currently only available in one viscosity that I find a bit light for some older horns.

    Neither of these choices are particularly smelly which I like :-)

    I think that there are many options available that will work well at making the pistons go up/down smoothly and last between applications which is the bottom line. Beyond that is really just personal preference (price, availability, smell, pretty color, cool name, etc. :lol:).
  6. gatorman

    gatorman Pianissimo User

    Jun 25, 2012
    Durango Colorado
    I vote for HETMAN's also.... Its reasonably priced and lasts and the different viscosities are nice..I also like Alisyn..I think the yamaha synthetic is WAY overpriced......
  7. larry tscharner

    larry tscharner Forte User

    Apr 30, 2010
    dubuque iowa
    Whatever oil you choose, be consistant and use it exclusively and often. What Im saying is, dont ever mix oils in your beautiful new Getzen. Ever have someone borrow your oil because they didnt have any? They are crazy for A) not having oil with them in the first place. 2) Using any old oil that gets handed to them, quality unquestioned. AND C) mixing oils till they dont know what they have. No wonder their valves are hanging up! I carry a bottle of oil I picked up at a gig that was left behind for just those people. I dont lend my good stuff to goofs.

    As stated above, Blue Juice is a good oil, but one of my older horns didnt like it so I got a recomendation from a pro that I know and bought some Yamaha Synthetic Regular (Light also available). Problems all solved. It is clear and wont stain your clothes if you are dumb enough to oil your slacks, but we all know your not like that. It has no smell and like stated above, since its synthetic, lasts longer and is dyno-friendly. It is just a bit more expensive than many other choices, but if you dont waste it and it lasts longer, not so bad.

    Really your choice of oil is mostly subjective as the main brands are all good quality. But everyone is looking for the most edge for their horn to make that little difference that makes them a better player. Find one you like, for any reason at all, and stick with it. Best wishes.
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  8. Conntribution

    Conntribution Fortissimo User

    Dec 25, 2010
    Lloyd Harbor NY.
    Well now, here's my 3 pennyworth. For my new horns, or those I've had the valves rebuilt I use the thinnest oil. For my older, more worn ones, I use thicker oil, generally oil I've blended myself from synthetic clock and watch lubes. It helps being a certified master watchmaker and precision machinist, so I like to think!
    I generally blend my own synthetic lubes, based upon what's available to clock and watch techs. But I don't want this to be a platform of controversy, but my Buescher New England model, with fairly worn valves, does well with a blend of Blue Juice and Etsyntha clock oil. That's my classical horn. My others have valves in great shape for the most part, but cleaning and lubing is a mania with me anyway.
  9. catello

    catello Pianissimo User

    Dec 14, 2009
    Winter Park, FL
    +1 for Hetman. Regardless of your choice, be sure to clean your horn thoroughly before changing oils - especially if you are switching between petroleum and synthetic oils.
  10. kingtrumpet

    kingtrumpet Utimate User

    Sep 20, 2009
    New York State USA
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