Correct Enbrochure Photos

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  1. felix c

    felix c Pianissimo User

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    Dear Friends:
    Im looking for photos Or any other reference of a correct embrochure. At this moment mines is not be best. I have a friend (son of my first trumpet teacher) That says and shows mw that my embrochure is not the best because I didnt have register, only good tone but no support. Please any Help will be very apreciated.

    Thanks And Blessings
    Felix
     
  2. Nonsense Eliminator

    Nonsense Eliminator New Friend

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    I don't think looking at pictures of embouchures is particularly useful. Everybody's lip and jaw formation and musculature is different. Trying to emulate what works for somebody is not necessarily going to work for you. Most of the real development in the embouchure you can't see in a picture or consciously control anyway. The best path to a good embouchure is diligent, well-directed practice.
     
  3. FlugelFlyer

    FlugelFlyer Piano User

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  4. TopGun

    TopGun Pianissimo User

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    I agree with NE on this one. I think you need to use the ears, not the eyes, to develop a good embouchure. I would also find a good teacher who can help on this one.

    Best of luck,
    TG
     
  5. dcstep

    dcstep Mezzo Piano User

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    Buy the Balanced Embouchure book from Jeff Smiley. It's got clear pictures and clear instructions.

    Dave
     
  6. JackD

    JackD Mezzo Forte User

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    I seriously suggest you go and see a teacher who specialises in embouchure problems.

    What sounds good now might not be a good embouchure. If you are seriously concerned, go and see a good teacher about it.

    In my opinion there can be no replacement for good in-person advice from a teacher that has actually seen and heard you play.
     
  7. Gnostic

    Gnostic New Friend

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    :)
     
  8. alias genre

    alias genre New Friend

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    of course a live lesson with one or several people is the only real way to get at least the options to pursue and narrow down from.
    i've tried the whole range up and down and even side to side to compensate for my slightly off center teeth and now play almost exactly 50/50 and about 15% to the left and i have no problem going chromatically from low F# to about high D and back.
    i started out using 10% upper/90% lower as it was the only way i could last and was able to hit a solid GG and sometimes semi solid CC after about 3 months of self taught study (had played trombone 7 years).
    of course my lower range was miserable and middle range weak.
    by college i had flipped to just the opposite. i suppose i was hypnotized by a french horn warlock but my sound was goilden...upto about a G above the staff. i couldn't play much higher and last more than about 20 minutes.
    assuming you have a normal bite, 50/50 is the best starting point and if you are really in it for life you should try different options (albeit less extreme) for individual 2 week to 2-3 months expeditions. switching everyday won't let your musculature settle into the mold.
    but yes, 50/50 upto about 65/35 or 35/65 together with everything else, tight corners, controlled variable tongue, etc. and you can't loose.
     
  9. kdawg

    kdawg New Friend

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    i don't think saying 50/50, 35/65, or whatever is wise. it's like telling a long distance runner to run on his toes for 10 miles. He could do it, and eventually might get used to it, but he'd be better off if he ran naturally for 10 miles. let nature be your guide when deciding placement. I play off to the right, I have a friend who plays to the left. i know people who place extremely high, and some who place extremely low. It's all normal.
    NE said it best when he said that "looking at pictures of embouchures is [not] particularly useful" adding to that, I would say that looking at pictures could end up being pretty good example of what NOT to do.
    dcstep has a valid point that BE or any other type of calisthetics might help you develop your embouchure, but be careful not to do too much. (and BE isn't the only way to do it)
    You need to get yourself with a good teacher. Internet forums are good for advice, but a teacher can look at your embouchure and say "try this..." and who knows, magic might happen (don't get your hopes up though, it normally takes time)
    if you do have a teacher though, bring this up with him (or her) at your next lesson. sometimes teachers need to know a problem to be able to fix it.
    you could also try asking your friend how he'd fix your "problem." if he knows so much about what a correct embouchure is, he should also know how to fix yours.
     
  10. trpguyy

    trpguyy Piano User

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    My teacher once said,
    "I don't care if you play with your mouthpiece coming out of your ear, as long as that's where you play the best."
     

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