Counting time

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  1. alant

    alant Pianissimo User

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    Is is realy possible to actually count and play at the same time. for example 4/4 time subdived to quavers is it possible to count 1...8 for each bar and play? or is it soemthing you feel? or is it something you only do when slowing a piece down to practice? please give me as many ideas as possible I am sure there are many out there with the same thoughts.
     
  2. Mark_Kindy

    Mark_Kindy Mezzo Forte User

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    Subdivided into eighths, I assume you mean?

    I say all of the above.
    When practicing, I slow down and subdivide so I know how to count while playing it. Eventually, however, you may just be able to feel that subdivision from having played the piece so much, or in certain genres how the pulse is.
     
  3. edfitzvb

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    The longer you play the easier it becomes. I don't think of it as counting so much as staying in meter. The only time I ever have to think is when I am reading complicated rythmns. After a while you hear what the music says just like reading a book
     
  4. kehaulani

    kehaulani Fortissimo User

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    Hawaian homey
    Yes.
     
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  5. BrotherBACH

    BrotherBACH Piano User

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    Sometimes my teacher has me subdividing the notes all into 8ths or 16ths, depending on the piece. It helps me hold the notes for their "full" value playing in the actual value.

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  6. Zach

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    honestly it's not necessary to be able to say in your head the rhythm as you play it. That would be like having to pay attention to the voice inside your head as you read a book. You don't pay attention to the voice, you just go with the flow of the words. Of course, being able to count rhythms is crucial to understanding them and being able to teach them as well as being practical for breaking down complex things. Instead of worrying about this, what you DO want to pay attention to is your tone. Your musicality. Your articulation. Dynamics. All of that
     
  7. Needs Practice

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    Three observations:

    1. This thread shows again that idea of two nations divided by a common language. Eights and quavers. I'm glad I'm bilingual. As a child I learned to read breves, semibreves, crochets and quavers. In my adopted country of the US, I'm speaking a foreign musical language.

    2. To your question "is it possible to count 1...8"? When working with 4/4 signature (for example), I have never counted beyond four. But I do count "one and two and three and four and". When I'm playing semiquavers (must I translate? ;-) ) it becomes "one tah dah dah two tah dah dah" and so one in my head. And so I was taught from the age of three, so it is rather ingrained.

    3. As others have said, the more you play, the easier it becomes and the more you "sense" it. However when playing a new piece I must still slow it down bar by bar if the rhythm is complex, until I am familiar with it. This is especially true for me with syncopated rhythms. As a kid I always used to trip up with triplets too - because they didn't fit into my one tah dah dah logic. Eventually the penny dropped.

    To Zach's point above - yes - the more you play the less you need to analyze the rhythm in your head. Most of us can play a bar of four quarter notes without any sense of counting it out in our head. As we become more familiar with more complex patterns, that same ease extends across those complex patterns. It becomes intuitive.
     
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  8. SmoothOperator

    SmoothOperator Mezzo Forte User

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    Recently I have been having a blast marching around or dancing while I practice. I think it helps with my counting to put the left foot on one(right foot if its a samba). ROFL :play: :thumbsup:
     
  9. gmonady

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    Feeling is believing... and on slow days when the feel is not quit there, I use this fancy rhythm instrument called "the foot". Works every time!
     
  10. gmonady

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    I do like subdividing traditional (3/4 or 4/4) rhythms. For instance 7/8 would I tap out by foot: 1,2,3; 1,2,3,4. Or 11/8 as: 1,2,3,4; 1,2,3,4; 1,2,3. Or 5/4: 1,2,3; 1,2.
     
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