Courtois trumpet, is it worth to refinish?

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  2. Dennis78

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    Looks pretty decent. Have it checked by a tech. Respected brand should bring in some decent coin
     
  3. Robbrand

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    That's a beauty and it looks in pretty good nick. Even without a lacquer job it would be worth quite a bit, provided the valves and slides are in decent order. It looks quite a lot like the 708 Sonic model they made for Leblanc: Specs on Courtois
    Definitely worth refurbishing if it needs it.
     
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    Not so sure - the Phantom is black and has a first-slide crook, which yours doesn't have. But yours is definitely from that era (1990s), and whatever model it is, it will be a great trumpet. I have a Let us know what you discover! I have a slightly older sliver-plated 113M which is a lovely instrument with great valves.
     
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    Sergei Nakariakov; a Russian trumpet virtuoso plays a standard Courtois....if its good enough for him.............
     
  9. remcoh

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    I received the instrument and it is a mystery: it looks exactly like the 311 model in the pictures, and i mean exactly! only it is not a 311!
    according to the engraving on the leadpipe it is a 112L

    Is it possible two models look exactly the same but are different?

    The more i think about it the more I am convinced this trumpet is wrongly engraved

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5OexOZ0CopceXhrYlc1T2w3SEk/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5OexOZ0CopcaXVFZVBGdXJYNzg/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5OexOZ0CopcaXVFZVBGdXJYNzg/view?usp=sharing
     
  10. sounds7

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    Old thread but I can't resist getting the info out

    Remcoh The 112L was another model in the Courtois line.

    The top model in the 80's and 90's was the Prestige 311 which came in 3 choices. They were not cheap Trumpets to buy and they cost more than Schilke , Bach and any other maker up until Monette was formed. The cost of importing it put these horns out of reach compared to other models available in the United States. Courtois marketing also left a lot to be desired at least on this side of the pond.


    Courtois 311ML produced circa 1980's- 1990's Brass with clear lacquer and nickel accents, .463 bore, pro horn, very free blowing, wonderful DARK symphonic sound. Impeccable valve action on most examples. (Courtois is known for exceptional valves, fit and finish.) Full rich, even symphonic sound throughout register. These are wonderful trumpets in every respect! The 4th trumpet of the Count Basie Big Band is known to have played this model some years ago. Sergei Nakariakov uses a similar, but later model of Courtois trumpet (I think the 305 with fixed leadpipe). His sound, while outstanding and better than most of us, is typical of the sound produced by these Courtois trumpets in the hands of a decent player.


    Courtois 311TC Same as above with Copper plated bell (DARKER) Sound is so dark and so full that some could mistake it for a flugelhorn, depending on one's mouthpiece selection.

    Courtois 311TP The most famous Phantom Model—Tri color that included a dark metallic grey chromium finish on the Bell and valve sections. This was an electro treatment of color laid over top of a regular chrome plate. Sound is the same 311TC (Dark Sound). Has a removable lead pipe system with the stock BA pipe (Bach Ardent?), an option sterling silver lead pipe was available on special order. The Courtois ads of the time featured images from "Phantom of the Opera" with the Phantom trumpets. The 311ML and 311TC are usually more difficult to find than the 311TP grey Phantom--the grey Phantom got most of the advertising and presumably, sales. Advertised as "the most expensive trumpet" at one time, today's prices combined with being little known render them as just another horn--but they are fantastic.


    As a side note, Antoine Courtois is no longer producing Trumpets of any kind. They are only making Trombones, Horns and Flugel Horns now. So that either makes these hand built , hand hammered trumpets rare jewels to find (They were always pricey to buy when new) or it makes them an even more obscure trumpet from Europe that no one knows anything about. That's a funny thought since there is no other brass manufacture that has been in operating as long as Courtois (since 1789) except for a brief period during WWII when they were shuttered by the Germans. Courtois made bugles for Napolean's army so thats been awhile.

    Antoine Courtois is now under control of french instrument conglomerate Buffet/Crampon.
    website http://www.a-courtois.com/en/

    Historical sources:
    http://www.woodwindandbrass.co.uk/acatalog/courtois_history.html
    http://www.a-courtois.com/en/our-story/

    If this explanation wet anyone's appetite, Woodsy's in Kent Ohio has one for sale that has the phantom style detachable lead pipe. Its the first I have ever seen on a 311ML prestige http://www.woodsysmusic.com/product...urtois-prestige-311ml-professional-bb-trumpet

    also here is an excellent one for sell in France where they are more available but still rare
    http://www.ebay.fr/itm/like/302214276282?vectorid=229480&lgeo=1&item=302214276282&rmvSB=true



    Translation: Very rare: Splendid trumpet Antoine Courtois Prestige S 311 ML limited edition with translucent black / purple varnish from 1991 with 2 sets of slides Bb and C. Removable mouthpiece. Interior of the pavilion and slides gold varnished. Instrument never used, new condition. Soft rigid soft case Gator, delivered without mouthpiece. Single instrument! $1,806.00
     

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