Darn it WWBW/ Government!

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by aeguy010, Oct 14, 2010.

  1. Solar Bell

    Solar Bell Moderator Staff Member

    May 11, 2005
    Metro Detroit
    I have purchased two horns this exact way.

    One other place, a manufacturer had me come and pick out the horn I wanted. I took it with me and they faxed in info to the store I would purchase it from, who billed my card as an on-line purchase.

    In both cases it was the idea of the seller.
  2. Back at it

    Back at it Pianissimo User

    Feb 12, 2010
    Western, NY
    It's not ilegal. A sale is a sale. No seller is going to not sell the horn to you if you say you'd rather buy on line to save on taxes..
  3. mrubin

    mrubin New Friend

    May 24, 2007
    cleveland ohio
    Why not consider a used horn & come to Cleveland. I have a 1993 C180 Bach with a rare 256 bell and 25H leadpipe. Its in great shape and will cost tons less than a new one.
  4. B15M

    B15M Forte User

    Dec 30, 2003
    Monroe Ct.
    The purchase isn't illegal, not paying the tax is.
    There are a lot of ways to not pay income tax too.
  5. Phil986

    Phil986 Forte User

    Nov 16, 2009
    Near Portland, OR.
    Wow! This is way cool indeed. I heard and read so many times how one should try a number of MPs, and in actuality when you go to a store, they have a few of the most common ones that they know will sell. That seriously limits trial possibilities. The exception to that is the Monette shop where there is a table full of MPs and where Dave Monette will quizz you for a while and then listen to you and then advise you. Of course, it's only Monette MPs but still another dimension in MP shopping than any other place I've seen.
  6. Mark B

    Mark B Pianissimo User

    Aug 20, 2010
    Redlands, CA
    I'm going along with the road trip with the Mrs. If you have a good one, keep her happy. You'll be happy if she is, that's just how it works.

  7. RichJ

    RichJ Piano User

    Jan 16, 2008
    Northern Virginia
    If you buy in the state that the store is located in, whether in person or online, then the store is legally obligated to collect and pay the state sales tax. If you ask a store to skip sales tax in a face to face sale, the only way they could legally do that would be to reduce the sales price so that the total price with tax is equal to the online price. They may be willing to do that. For them to just not charge tax for an in-state sale would be extremely risky for them.

    EDIT: By the way, if you purchase something from out of state (whether through online sale, mail order, etc.), you are technically obligated to pay "use tax" on the item to your own state at the regular sales tax rate for your state. I think the compliance rate on use tax payments is probably about .0001% though.
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2010
  8. gbdeamer

    gbdeamer Forte User

    Oct 16, 2008
    I'm confused. Why are you saying it's illegal?

    If he's not in the same state as the retailer and buys something from an on-line shop, what law has been broken.

    In-state residents have state sales tax applied during checkout with most web-stores, but I've never seen interstate commerce taxed.

    has there been some change in interstate on-line marketing?
  9. RichJ

    RichJ Piano User

    Jan 16, 2008
    Northern Virginia
    As I posted above, if you buy online from out of state, you are still obligated to pay an amount to your home state equal to what you would have paid if you bought it in-state.

    4. What is a use tax?

    A use tax is similar to a sales tax in its application. Use tax is imposed on the "storage, use or other consumption" of all tangible personal property and the receipt of certain services that are subject to sales tax. Purchases that are properly exempt from sales tax are also exempt from the use tax. Use tax must be paid on all purchases made by Ohio residents and businesses if the proper amount of sales tax has not been paid to the vendor, seller, or service provider. The use tax rate is equal to the sales tax rate in effect in the county where the property is used or benefit of the service is received by the purchaser.

    The most common situation that gives rise to a use tax liability is when an Ohio customer makes a mail order purchase from an out-of-state seller. Use tax is also due when the purchaser improperly claims exemption from the sales tax or if the sales tax paid is less than the total use tax in effect in the county where the item is used or benefit of the service is received.

    One of the main reasons for the use tax is to protect Ohio vendors from unfair competition from out-of-state sellers, since the in-state merchant is required to collect sales tax when selling to an Ohio resident or business. All states that have a sales tax have a use tax.
  10. jbkirby

    jbkirby Forte User

    Sep 10, 2009
    Dothan, Alabama
    Much better idea!!!!!!:thumbsup:

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