Defining helpful advice/physics as applied to the trumpet

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Local 357, Jan 28, 2012.

  1. Local 357

    Local 357 Banned

    Jul 1, 2011
    It is true that the "smile" embouchure was wrong and still is wrong Bob. However it is not the worst fault a trumpet player can have. I knew an advocate of smile who while his ideas almost made my stomach turn could still blast a solid lead trumpet with good endurance. He had a High G even Maynard would have been proud of.

    I expected the association of my ideas to be mistaken and attached to the smile theory when describing the fret analogy. However a stretched lip was not what i advocated. Instead the tension necessary to change pitch (in the embouchure) was indicated not in stretching the lip but in varying the aperture size through muscle and jaw movements/positioning. Wholly different from lip stretching.

    The bigger fault than lip stretching (which is really irrelevant to pitch change anyway) is not allowing enough upper lip to descend below the upper teeth. We see this problem EVERYWHERE. The root of misdiagnosis in the lack of upper lip descending lies in the typical "one to two dimensional" embouchure analysis. Only a three dimensional portrait of embouchure function exposes the lack of upper lip descending.

    Typically we see prescriptions of "use more upper lip" or "use more lower lip" but this is the antiquated two dimensional model view. Has no lateral context. We see only the amount of lip that may actually "reside" within the mouthpiece. Leaving blank the formula of what lip tissue is blown through the teeth and so on. This is however almost an over advanced concept for beginners. The reason "just tongue and BLOW" is the more effective approach.

    I've personally so far seen only one case where a beginner needed to know the concept of lateral embouchure function in order to start a decent blow.

    Where the three dimension function of knowledge comes in handy is (usually) when the trumpet cat decides to develop into a a serious lead player. Even then he may only need to switch to better equipment like the shallower pieces. Then again sometimes no. He needs to know the lateral function or progress is stymied.
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2012
  2. kingtrumpet

    kingtrumpet Utimate User

    Sep 20, 2009
    New York State USA
    you are exactly correct --pulling the corners back, and stretching the lips -- the teacher was always big on "low pressure", don't force the horn on your lips --- but definitely a smile.

    and, for the other guy - I didn't blame the teacher - I actually stated he was a pretty decent teacher ---
  3. xjb0906

    xjb0906 Piano User

    May 2, 2009
    Charlotte NC
    I disagree that a high school trumpet player only needs range in the staff. There were 5 players in my section that could play well up to a high c. We were made to do so on a regular basis.
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2012

    MTROSTER Piano User

    Jan 25, 2007
    Bob, I was trying to be a bit sarcastic, but I still stand by ny contention that these old pros that I mentionned in my original post did not examine the physics of what they were playing. More modern players perhaps. I've read some of the physics behind the horn especially those of the natural baroque trumpets, but I don't think it has made me a better player.:D
  5. Bob Grier

    Bob Grier Forte User

    May 4, 2007
    Greensboro, NC
    I glad it was sarcasm. Hard to tell sometimes. I still think that the older players were more educated than we give them credit for. I know that Arban was very educated and Armstrong as well. He said that vhe learned to play with the Arban book. He just played it his way.
  6. trumpetsplus

    trumpetsplus Fortissimo User

    Jun 11, 2006
    South Salem, NY
    On a related subject with Louis Armstrong; I heard once that Louis had listened to a lot of Italian Opera. Anyone know whether this is true?

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