Diaphragm Vibrato

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  1. mrcomixmaster

    mrcomixmaster New Friend

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    Hi everyone, I'm new to trumpetmaster and also a high schooler.

    I'm torn between doing the wrong vibrato method or right vibrato method. When I started doing vibrato, I always used my diaphragm, and well it sounded good. I felt pretty in-control of the sound and the length of the vibrato or however you describe it. But, I see now that using one's diaphragm is the wrong way, but i just don't feel the control or the natural-ness by doing it any other way. Does anyone think I can get away with using my diaphragm for all my vibrato needs? Or is it absolutely mandatory to use a more proper method :(
     
  2. bumblebee

    bumblebee Fortissimo User

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    I do not understand what you mean by "right" and "wrong" form of vibrato. What makes one form "wrong", particularly using the diaphram, and what caused you to say "I see now that using one's diaphragm is the wrong way"?

    See here for somebody from the UK Philharmonia orchestra describing two different forms of vibrato:
    Philharmonia Orchestra: The Sound Exchange: The Orchestra: Instruments: Discover The Trumpet: Vibrato

    ...and another here from Ben Harrison:
    Extended Trumpet Techniques Vibrato - YouTube


    --bumblebee
     
  3. mrcomixmaster

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    Thank you for those links bumblebee! As I was browsing the forums, I read many people saying that diaphragm vibrato messes with your air too much and shouldn't be used. Some say its an immature technique...that's why i asked the question, because diaphragm vibrato feels so natural to me, although some say this type shouldn't be used. I just don't have good control with hand vibrato or lip vibrato. Thanks again bumblebee!
     
  4. Ed Lee

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    When I was a child during WWII playing soldier I had my machine gun sound in my voice. Such is my vibrato today.
     
  5. mgcoleman

    mgcoleman Mezzo Forte User

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    Immature technique? From the standpoint of it being done well, it is arguably a highly mature method, particularly in singing. A good diaphram or abdominal vibrato takes significant time and practice to achieve.
     
  6. Branson

    Branson Piano User

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    Hand vibrato is the best and you should learn it.

    Advantages of hand vibrato-

    It is easier to control.

    The air stream should be constant with the vibrato being added to the steady stream of air.

    Learning to use hand vibrato is the first step to learning how to play shakes, which is just an extension of hand vibrato.

    Hand vibrato can more easily be turned on and off at will.
     
  7. Rapier

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    Hand vibrato is just one way, not the best way. Vibrato can be required on all brass instruments, shaking the hand playing a tuba is not quite so easy.
     
  8. gmonady

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    The right vibrato method is playing the horn, and getting vibrato to come out the bell end.
     
  9. gmonady

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    Not when you get the Gustat Heim G2 mouthpiece. This has absolutely changed the way I can best get vibrato out, and man it is now effortless. Now my lip can do all the work.
     
  10. gmonady

    gmonady Utimate User

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    Note to OP... Starting out a thread titled Diaphragm Vibrato did peak my professional interest as a physician.
     

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