differences between C trumpets and Bb trumpets(i have many questions)

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  1. vern

    vern Piano User

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    Hi Pedrotrumpeter! For me, the C trumpet is brighter and has a more compact sound. I use alternate fingerings in E and E-flat above tuning C. I do my daily routine and warm up on my B-flat and only practice literature (solos, etc) written specifically for C trumpet. the smaller the horn the easier it is to over blow. It took me years to feel comfortable on the C trumpet.....
     
  2. JediYoda

    JediYoda Mezzo Piano User

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    The C trumpet is actually a tone lower than the Bb.......if you transpose from C to Bb you transpose up one whole step...thus a tone higher.....
     
  3. mctrumpet98

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    Actually, I am quite sure that it is the other way round. When a C below the staff is written for a Bb instrument, it sounds as a Bb (check it with the piano). However when a C below the staff is written for a C instrument, it sounds a C. Bb is a tone below C. Therefore you transpose up a whole step from Bb to C, NOT C to Bb.
     
  4. JediYoda

    JediYoda Mezzo Piano User

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    Actually, I am quite sure that it is the other way round. When a C below the staff is written for a Bb instrument, it sounds as a Bb (check it with the piano). However when a C below the staff is written for a C instrument, it sounds a C. Bb is a tone below C. Therefore you transpose up a whole step from Bb to C, NOT C to Bb.

    Now you are talking about tuning.....

    the piano is considered a C instrument...thus any song written for the piano to be played by a Bb trumpet needs to be transposed up one step.....not down a step.....

    In music notation.....a Bb trumpet is a written a step higher than a C trumpet......

    if you are in the key of C for the C trumpet you are in the key of D for the Bb trumpet......
    Key of Eb for the C you are in the key of F for the Bb...etc.....


    http://www.wikihow.com/Transpose-Music-From-C-to-B-Flat
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2013
  5. mctrumpet98

    mctrumpet98 Pianissimo User

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    Sir I believe we are trying to say the same thing. There is a tone difference between C and Bb. Bb is simply a tone lower than C. So on a C trumpet you transpose down a tone to play as a Bb instrument. On a Bb trumpet we transpose up a tone to play as a C instrument.

    My work here is done.

    @ the OP, best of luck with your C trumpet.
     
  6. jmberinger

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    I thought I would chime in here.

    I play with regularity a Bach Bb, a Bach C and an Eastman D. To center up, I play the same set of scales transposed to the key of each instrument (concert C, for example for all horns). I follow with playing each horn in their natural key for the named scales. With the next set of etudes, the same set of transposition and then in the natural key for each horn.

    The value is that you are better set to hear the tonal changes, and center the tone for each. There will be times in which you will have to change horns quickly anyway, so this is great training for when that is the case.

    If transposition is an issue, note that all of the Clarke technical studies contain all of the keys for the concert pitches for each horn. You just need to read the notes with the right transposition to start.
     
  7. Ed Lee

    Ed Lee Utimate User

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    I've yet to play or find any rational personal need for a C trumpet, as I've been sight transposing music pitched in C concert key as long as I've been playing music pitched for a Bb instrument. Not sayin' I wouldn't or couldn't.
     
  8. kcmt01

    kcmt01 Mezzo Forte User

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    A "C" played on a C trumpet is one step higher then a "C" played on a Bb trumpet. You have to play a "D" on a Bb trumpet to play a concert "C".
     
  9. barliman2001

    barliman2001 Fortissimo User

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    IMHO, the Selmer horns usually need more air than their Bach counterparts.
     
  10. Vulgano Brother

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    I, on the other hand, love the C trumpet. I can darken it up to sound like a Bb or brighten it up to sound like a D. The response is quicker than the Bb. I use my Bb for jazz most quintet pieces, and teaching. Different strokes for different folks.

    One common comment is that the C is more "out of tune" compared to the Bb. Truth is, both are out of tune, but we have been conditioned into thinking the Bb is "in tune." It isn't. One advantage of spending time on the C trumpet is that it can really help our ears, a good thing for all keys of trumpet.
     

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