Dizzying a horn

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by codyb226, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. Rusty_Restorer

    Rusty_Restorer Pianissimo User

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    Thanks that answers my question about a Bundy. I will avoid them then. I enjoy my Ambassadors. The raw brass 58' has a different tone than the 69' with an epox-o-enamel finish. I would not want to Dizzy them. I would think maybe a frank-in-horn approach would be better. Have seen Rich Ita's shop with lots of bells hanging from the ceiling, that would be my choice to start a Dizzy type horn. I like the Dizzy look rather than the horn that started upward at the back bend.
     
  2. trumpetsplus

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    Disagree.
    I have played some real nice Bundys - early and late ones. And have had fun improving some as well.
     
  3. coolerdave

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    I am with Ivan on the Bundy quality. A lady brought her son over to my house to look at a Old's Super Star ( he wanted a silver horn) .. the reverse slides created a little problem for him... so he passed on it. He had brought his Bundy along with him so I checked it out. The kids eyes lit up when he heard me play it... I told them that really was a nice playing horn. So they decided to wait on buying a "silver trumpet". Last time I checked he was still playing it... perfect for Jr high.
     
  4. Brekelefuw

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    An Ambassador is NOWHERE near a pro level horn. Other than being many people's first horns, I don't get the Ambassador fanaticism. They are built well, but any student Yamaha plays circles around them.
     
  5. rowuk

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    Hey Brek,

    the Ambassador image keeps the ebay resell high. That is the only reason that I can imagine. I have never played one that I really just HAD to own. I do agree with the 2xxx Yamaha playing better though.
     
  6. Rusty_Restorer

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    I think there are a lot of Ambassadors out there. They are rugged. I lived in New Orleans for a year and heard them quite often there. That got me curious about them. The people in NOLA like to party and have live music. I think several website promote them as an alternate student horn you can get for a buck 50 ($150). There are tons of parts to keep um'playing. So what is not to like? See below link: Student trumpets A Yammie student horn the Yamaha YTR-2335 runs for $1,071 new and from $299 used see this link. Amazon.com: Yamaha YTR-2335 Bb Trumpet: Musical Instruments We are in a mini depression - or at least it feels like that to me. So I don't see many parents wanting to drop a grand on a "student horn". It may play circles around an Ambassador but it is 1 tenth the price. And as a real estate friend who is broke says - Price sells. So is it fanaticism or practicality about the Ambassador horns?
     
  7. Rusty_Restorer

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    I figure once I get better as a player - I will search out a better horn than my Ambassadors. Since Rich Ita has tweeted some of them, and I have cleaned these estate sale ladies or former band instruments up - I figure I will most likely flip them on e-bay or craigs list. Maybe I will make a profit - maybe I will just get my money back. Again - I got into the Ambassadors at 10% the price of a new 2xxx Yamaha horn. Hey maybe I will Dizzy one just for fun, build a custom case for it and sell it and get a pro level horn. Right now I can scare the deer away from my vineyard with um. So they are a win-win for me.
     
  8. coolerdave

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    My take is the Yamaha 2xxx are pretty brilliant but the Ambassador had a full sound. If I was playing a classical piece I would take the Yammy .. jazz combo ..Ambassador hands down.
     
  9. kingtrumpet

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    just thought I would add this thought ---- Dizzy-ing a horn would send the vibrations up (and as someone suggested) it would be easier to hear the notes, as the bell is closer to you and your ears --vs. a regular trumpet which only the woodwinds in front of the trumpet section hear. What if someone did a "Reverse Dizzy" -- having the bell point toward the floor ----- would that soften the tone of the horn, and also provide feedback by reflecting the sound off the floor????

    I am just saying -- I find that practicing towards a wall, or with the music stand very close -- provides feedback for me ----so a "reverse Dizzy" might be more practicle for a lot of people
     
  10. gmonady

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    I do agree with your Ambassador assessment... A good example is our own TrumpetMD playing this tune at a DC gig on his Olds Ambassador. LOVE THIS SOUND!

    Not 2 Cool Jazz - You Don't Know What Love Is - Feb 19, 2012 - YouTube!
     

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