Thanks that answers my question about a Bundy. I will avoid them then. I enjoy my Ambassadors. The raw brass 58' has a different tone than the 69' with an epox-o-enamel finish. I would not want to Dizzy them. I would think maybe a frank-in-horn approach would be better. Have seen Rich Ita's shop with lots of bells hanging from the ceiling, that would be my choice to start a Dizzy type horn. I like the Dizzy look rather than the horn that started upward at the back bend.