E won't slot....

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by oldlips48, Nov 25, 2008.

  1. oldlips48

    oldlips48 Piano User

    Mar 1, 2007
    In my year of being a comeback player I've gotten my technique back so I can play my high C in concert with my community band. The problem is, I can play a D above high C consistently when I practice, but the E is elusive. It seems I'll slide right over it to an F or G. I've been working on the range exercises and concentrating on tone at PP levels. Is it a matter of my embochure not being strong enough? I play a used Getzen 700 that I'm very pleased with. Should I be able to slot all the notes up to a G (i.e. is it me and not my equipment)?

    BTW in the 70s when I played as a youth, reaching a consistent high C was considered quite an accomplishment. So I find the conversations here about range up to G or double C amazing!

    Thanks for the input (Robin, be gentle...)

  2. Pete

    Pete Piano User

    Nov 17, 2007
    Hi Steve,

    Try using alternate fingerings. Try 3rd valve, or 1 and 2, instead of open. Sometimes it's a mental thing. Once you get it, try it with the open fingering.

  3. Darthsunshine

    Darthsunshine Mezzo Forte User

    Jul 19, 2008
    Seattle, WA
    Just what I was going to suggest. Invariably, I'm able to return to the standard fingering within a few days. It's problably more a mental than a physical trick, but I find it works.
  4. Bear

    Bear Forte User

    Apr 30, 2004
    yes, alternates often work with slotting. Also, get with a piano and make sure you can HEAR the pitch accurately too. Sometimes I find if I'm not blowin in the center of pitch, I'll miss partials. My two cents.
  5. Whataguy!

    Whataguy! Pianissimo User

    Jan 16, 2004
    Osaka, Japan
    I have the same problem but with F, F#, and G. There was a thread in Tony Kadleck's section a while back where he said one of his friends would play the questionable note softly until he could feel the slot and he worked on getting the note consistently from there. Tony didn't say how long that process took his friend, though. I now use alternate fingerings, lip, or anything else I can think of to play those notes when I need to on a gig. During practice, I constantly take melodic lines up an octave softly to get the feel of the slot. Still working on it. And, yes, I'm a comeback player who remembers when High C was considered high.
  6. TrumpEd

    TrumpEd Pianissimo User

    Oct 9, 2008
    Maybe it's just not ready but with that said here goes: Above the high "C" you are reaching the compressed harmonic intervals H-6/7 and above. If the pitch is clearly in your ear and your embouchure is capable you'll nail it.

    Remember that at that range of a 4.5' ''tube" (for a Bb trumpet) the interval separation has been reduced to minor thirds, & major & minor seconds, like a natural trumpet. By using the 1-2 (adds 8" & 4") valve combo or the 3 valve (adds 12") alone, you place the note "E" at a lower harmonic series step ie: h4-5 where the harmonic separation is a little more forgiving (m3rd's/M2nd's). These altrernate fingerings should give you a way to play the high "E", get it locked into your memory and lips and then nail it however you want. A lot of horns allow you to be able to adjust it's intonation with these alt. fingurings.

    Did I mention a lot of practice helps??????????
  7. Al Innella

    Al Innella Forte User

    Aug 9, 2007
    Levittown , NY
    If your over shooting a note you are probably tensing your embochure too much try relaxing and arch your tongue while playing soft high notes.
  8. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    I agree with Al.
    Anything above high C requires very minute changes in embouchure compression or tongue level. That is why practicing softly is so beneficial - we train small movements.

    That being said, the trumpet is not linear when it comes to slotting. Weight distribution, brace positioning, valve alignment, bell and leadpipe shape all play a role in slotting (that is why I am so critical of pimping - the design balance of all of these factors gets messed up!). It could very well be that your Getzen/mouthpiece combination does not have a good slot there and that only embouchure control will give you satisfactory results.

    I recommend slurs and Clarke up an octave at pianissimo to get the high chops together.
  9. Bob Grier

    Bob Grier Forte User

    May 4, 2007
    Greensboro, NC
    because high D (1sr valve) and E (open) are thirds in the overtone series on the trumpet. They can be harder to slot. High F and double G are fifths in the series and easier to slot. everything else being equal, It's the nature of the beast. Just practice smart and they'll all be under control.
  10. oldlips48

    oldlips48 Piano User

    Mar 1, 2007
    Thanks everyone for the responses. I especially appreciate the explanation of the harmonic intervals by TrumpEd, as well as Robin's comments about practicing softly to train the small movements.

    Thanks again,

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