Embouchure: 9 part bottom for 1 part upper lip

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by brem, Jun 16, 2009.

  1. brem

    brem Mezzo Forte User

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    Okay, I find if I slightly change my embouchure, which is usually 2/3rd more lower lip, to a setup closer to 9/10th more lower lip, I can play with more accuracy through the whole Low F# to High E range.

    I guess, "whatever works"... but I find it odd.

    You guys have any explanation for why I have more control and strength with this setup?

    Am I gonna hit a wall? :)

    :cool:
     
  2. clousemiester

    clousemiester Pianissimo User

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    I also have this same situation, but by choice. I have found that the 9/10th lower lip set-up makes for easier playing. Less Pressure is reqired to make the lips seal to the mouthpiece which makes for more endurance and range easier to achieve in most all situations. When I discovered this to work for me I happily accepted the improvment, and began to notice other players that have the same type set-up.
     
  3. brem

    brem Mezzo Forte User

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    exactly. I can play high notes with a 2/3rd setup, but the lips seal more easily with a "9/10" setup.

    I'm glad I'm not the only freak here :)

    Have you noticed this setup impaired further improvement or should I simply change my embouchure "forever" :)
     
  4. rettepnoj

    rettepnoj Fortissimo User

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    I think that is quite common! I know a lot of lead players doing this, included my self! No freak..:-)
     
  5. brem

    brem Mezzo Forte User

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    Just checkin ;)
     
  6. clousemiester

    clousemiester Pianissimo User

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    I sometimes use both......Depends on the situation.
     
  7. RB-R37297

    RB-R37297 Pianissimo User

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    I play like this too, but the problem is that my mouthpiece usually ends up in the pink of my top lip. Any tips?
     
  8. clousemiester

    clousemiester Pianissimo User

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    That's the part that vibrates. Don't Damage that!!!!

    That's why keeping the mouthpiece low, I Think, works so well.
    When your tired and you start to abuse your chops by pressing more the bottom lip takes the hit much easier. As long as your top tooth doesn't hurt the bottom lip.

    Sometimes...if I can pull it off (practice quotient) I can use my tongue io reinforce my bottom lip.
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2009
  9. brem

    brem Mezzo Forte User

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    For reference, here's my "normal" embouchure...

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  10. mkmtrumpeter

    mkmtrumpeter New Friend

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    I have the exact opposite problem... I play the standard ratio in exact reverse, with about 2/3 upper lip. I've never done any significant damage to my chops or any sort of muscle damage, and my range is... passable. Not great, but I've been playing for about eight years and at 19 years old, I have a LONG way to go on a lot of things. I think a lot of it has to do with your teeth, your bite, and the size/shape of your lips. I spent two years learning to play around braces, which may explain why my ratio is so odd... I guess whatever works, works! If you're not hurting yourself and you're getting the sound you want, what's to complain about? :)
     

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