Embouchure questions

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by stradivarius151, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. stradivarius151

    stradivarius151 Pianissimo User

    Mar 1, 2010
    I should make it known: I have never, in my 5 years on the trumpet, played with a correct embouchure. I have a multitude of ways I've played incorrectly. I'm not going to get into what I did wrong just for time (you'd be here awhile...)

    Anyway, I was playing tonight, getting tired, and for whatever reason I tried making more of an mmm shape.

    Gosh! Better tone, endurance (I felt like I hadn't played a note all day), flexibility, almost no pressure, horn at a higher angle (mine was always low) and most importantly, RANGE. I just need to get used to this more, and learn how to use air.

    But before I do, is this all right? I need to see my teacher, but I won't at least for another week, maybe more.
  2. Chuck Cox

    Chuck Cox Forte User

    Oct 3, 2008
    Cary NC
    It looks like you did better in all the parameters that you measured. The proof is in the pudding.
  3. BustedChops

    BustedChops Mezzo Forte User

    Oct 1, 2011
    Also remember the increased buzz...the more lip muscle will need strengthening. You can run a marathon without stretching but yer gonna hurt. Some people play more in the mouthpiece and others more outward. Down stream, upstream etc...

    The embouchure is a human mystery. All I know is when you lift weights with your embouchure it's best to start light and work up to heavy. It has nothing to do with register but more discipline.
  4. Local 357

    Local 357 Banned

    Jul 1, 2011

    Just offhand I'd say you're probably a good fit for the forward jaw embouchure. Conversely there are others who can not play with a forward jaw. We call these "receded jaw" players. Most of us play that way.

    But the exceptions such as yourself find range and endurance a relatively easy go of it. Famous forward jaw trumpet players include;

    Doc Severinsen
    Bud Brisbois
    Jon Faddis

    Roy Roman's story is very similar to yours. This from wiki:

    Roman began playing the trumpet at age 19. After an injury to one of his front teeth, he was introduced to Roy Stevens Roy Stevens, the teacher of a scientific method of embouchure development pioneered by William Costello. Today, Roman is the world's leading expert on the Stevens/Costello Method, a technique that allows the player to increase range, endurance and control.

    What the story doesn't tell is you that Roy switched to a forward jaw setting. The technique promoted in the Stevens/Costello Method.

    Again, that technique applies ONLY to a fortunate minority.

    All things considered the receded jaw setting, while not the technique common to real screamers isn't such a bad fare either. This cat plays louder and with a fuller tone. And there are always notable exceptions. Maynard played with a slightly receded jaw. With a tone far BIGGER than those listed above.
  5. stradivarius151

    stradivarius151 Pianissimo User

    Mar 1, 2010
    I have yet to see that it still works over time, but it really was quite amazing. Thanks for the responses everybody!
  6. stradivarius151

    stradivarius151 Pianissimo User

    Mar 1, 2010
  7. gbdeamer

    gbdeamer Forte User

    Oct 16, 2008
    So in 24 hours you went from being a guy with an inconsistent embouchure to someone who's able to play like one of the best lead players alive?
  8. stradivarius151

    stradivarius151 Pianissimo User

    Mar 1, 2010
    No, I don't have the underlying skill, consistency, and experience that Wayne has.

    Would you say a poster of the Grand Canyon is the real thing just because it looks like it?
  9. mgcoleman

    mgcoleman Mezzo Forte User

    Jun 22, 2010
    Great answer!
  10. gbdeamer

    gbdeamer Forte User

    Oct 16, 2008
    Then I don't understand your previous update:

    "I can play this, the real way, except I may be squeaking the Double (Triple?) D."

    What does that mean?

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