Extremely tight slide remedy?

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by knotty, Jul 7, 2009.

  1. knotty

    knotty New Friend

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    On my donation trumpet, the middle valve slide is very tight. I cleaned it to shiny brass with a Scotch pad and greased it but still very tight.

    Wondering what the best thing to do, since the slide brass is so thin, I don't want to take too much off, should I also take some off the receiver where the slide goes into?

    What about using a very fine sandpaper, about 400-600 wet or dry?

    Thanks..knotty
     
  2. RHSbigbluemarchingband

    RHSbigbluemarchingband Mezzo Piano User

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    If the slide comes off, I wouldn't worry too much about it, my strad's slide is extremely tight, but I think its just for the purpose of keeping the horn airtight. Otherwise you might try a dab of valve oil and see if it gets the slide moving
     
  3. knotty

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    This slide is an extreme case. I had to put valve oil, wiggle it side to side very hard many times and it would move perhaps .001 inch. Did this maybe three times a day and it took three days of doing this to finally get it off.
     
  4. Bob Grier

    Bob Grier Forte User

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    once you have it off did you use a good quality slide grease?
     
  5. Phil Kersh

    Phil Kersh Pianissimo User

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    I think that your original idea of cleaning out the inside of the 2nd valve receiver might be warranted. Sometimes years and years of slow build-up can make the fit unbearably tight. I've always had great luck working with instrument repairmen that I trust to fix little things like that. They obviously know the tricks of the trade and many times enjoy a good challenge, provided it doesn't take up too much of their time. Over the years I've had a number of minor fix-er-uppers that have cost me $10 or less with excellent results. Good luck!
     
  6. Brekelefuw

    Brekelefuw Fortissimo User

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    A quick way to clean it is to put valve oil on the inner tube and insert it into the upper and spin it back and forth to build up some heat. Valve oil is a great cleaner. We use it at the shop for cleaning flute tenons and other things.

    The slide could be out of alignment as well. 2nd valve doesn't have it happen as often as the other slides, but it does occur.
     
  7. knotty

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    OK, I took the slide elbow and mounted it a model makers vise gently with padded jaws and took 1/4" strips of wet or dry #400 sandpaper and brought the slide tenons to bright brass.

    For the receiver or fixed part on the trumpet, I used the Dremel tool with the small felt buffing tool and with a red rouge buffing compound polished the inside of the receiver. A couple times of this made the slide easier to insert but still snug with grease, so I left it like that.

    Brekelefuw,
    your right, the mating pieces are very slightly out of alignment because I can insert one leg of the tenon separately into the receiver with normal tension.

    Anyway, thanks all for the input, it's fixed now and without botching it..LOL

    Thanks...knotty
     
  8. ComeBackKid

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    I hope that you didn't remove so much metal that it no longer seals. If the slide tubes are out of alignment, it will bind even though the tubes are the correct diameter. If you remove metal when the alignment is the issue, you may need to remove a lot in order for it to finally fit but then it will not seal properly. You may want to check by putting some soapy water on the joint, removing the 1st valve slide, pressing both the 1st and 2nd valve, putting your thumb over the top tube from the 1st valve, and then blowing through the leadpipe to see if bubbles form around the 2nd slide joints - just to check.
     
  9. trumpetnick

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    Same applies if there is ding(s) on the slides where they go one into the other.
     
  10. knotty

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    Thanks for the tip ComeBackKid, there aren't any leaks. I just loosened the slide just enough where it could be removed but still requiring effort. At least now, it won't get frozen with time.
     

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