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  1. anthony

    anthony Mezzo Piano User

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    Hi in the Farkas book "The Art of Brass playing " he Farkas mentioned in a chapter on how the old German brass teachers used to have their students play a note correctly and center the pitch by saying " Ha" before the note is played a slight push of air and the correct tone is played .I know this is being kind of a pain but my teacher said to use "Fa" instead ........oh never mind:shhh:
     
  2. kehaulani

    kehaulani Fortissimo User

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    I can only say "fa" when my upper teeth touch my lower lip. That puts my lips, vertically, out of position. You better get clarification from your teacher. Hopefully you're not communicating vs. his suggesting putting your lips in an unconventional position.

    FWIW, my main teacher had me regularly play an exercise out of the Arban book, huffing the notes (and placing them correctly, pitch and tone-wise in the process).
     
  3. tobylou8

    tobylou8 Utimate User

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    I was taught Ta! Well now we have Hafata.
     
  4. kehaulani

    kehaulani Fortissimo User

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    I think that was Arafat's nickname.
     
  5. stumac

    stumac Fortissimo User

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    The German teachers referred to probably taught the old fashioned inset embouchure where the rim of the mouthpiece is placed in the red of the lower lip, requires a different approach to initiating the note. My horn teacher who learned prior to WW2 played like this.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
  6. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    "ha" is a way to "ignite" the lips without articulation. This trains the ability to start notes without a pressure shock. The old german masters then added articulation to shape the note. The lips were very cooperative this way and lower tension embouchures were possible. I teach this way.
     
  7. kehaulani

    kehaulani Fortissimo User

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    Einsetzen embouchure?
     
  8. Peter McNeill

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    Gesundheit!
     
  9. trumpetsplus

    trumpetsplus Fortissimo User

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    I also teach this way. I find that beginners taught to start notes with their tongue, Ta, often close their throat. School bands end up sounding like a bunch of chickens! Their note shape gets to be like "Tug, Tug, Tug....."
     
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  10. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    Actually independent of "Einsetzen" or "Ansetzen". Einsetzen more or less anchored the mouthpiece into the lower lip providing a great deal of room for the upper lip. I know of tuba players doing this today. It seems to help them with the extreme lower register. Ansetzen is more of a trumpet type embouchure where the mouthpiece is on the front of both lips. In either case, the idea is that the lips start vibrating without needing a kickstart.

     

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