Fast lip slurs = tired tongue?

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  1. Phil986

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    That Arban exercise is part of my daily routine, it is very beneficial. My teacher advocates plenty of jaw motion for a relaxed modulation of shape. Greg Spence argues for the concept of shape (see the sticky Trumpet traps, frustration etc) but I don't recall him advising to consciously minimize jaw motion. So far I am very impressed with Greg's stuff, even only what he puts out for free, which is already a good bunch of instruction and contains the important stuff. It has been more helpful to me than anything I have ever seen in writing or over the intertubes. In fact it's the only info of that kind that I have ever found helpful.
     
  2. gmonady

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    The price that is paid for being outstanding in your field... football field that is? The question is... is it really worth it? Sounds like you came to a realization you can live with.
     
  3. DaTrump

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    I agree, it is an awful technique to teach but there is thought behind it. When you play with an immobilized jaw, you are not tempted to closing up the soft palette. The ultimate goal of this technique is to be really really loud and not be lazer like, it allows you to move large quantities of air without difficulty. However the draw back is that fine tuning technique is lost. But, it seems to work for them. I am not advocating it, I would never use this idea, or recommend it, just stating the thought behind it. I understand that marching band is not appealing to many people but if you ever get the opportunity to watch a DCI event live, or even just watch them warm-up, take it. You literally FEEL the air vibrate.
     
  4. rowuk

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    What does the jaw have to do with the soft palette? Nothing! Moving air is a function of EMBOUCHURE - the lips vibrating efficiently and turning moving air into sound (actually exciting the standing wave in the trumpet). Fine tuning is not limited - that is a function of HEARING yourself. These reasons are pure BS. Winning happens through the selection process. The lockjaw is ONLY there to keep the trumpets all at the same angle for every player. It is of no other benefit.
     
  5. BrassEye

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    Just to clarify, I meant that the Arban exercise was good. This lockjaw thing sounds horrific.
     
  6. DaTrump

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    In the position they lock the jaw the in, the soft palette is big and tall allowing for maximum airflow and then their tongue creates the compression they need. In my band, and a vast majority of other drum corps, they do not use this technique, so it is not to keep them all at same angle.
     
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  7. Branson

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    Does this mean I was doing it correctly?

    NO!

    The tongue is a muscle and muscles get tired as do all muscles. Be sure not to over do your workouts.
     
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