Fingering for low G

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  1. equivariant

    equivariant New Friend

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    My first post, so I apologize in advance if this has been answered before (I did search!)

    I am a beginning trumpeter. I am teaching myself, so I don't nave a teacher to answer this. I find that the "official fingering" for a low G (valves 1 and 3) produces a note that is almost a semitone flat. My ear is reasonably good (I have played guitar for many years). Also my guitar tuner seems to confirm what I hear. I this a normal problem. Is it likely to be a problem with my technique or is it just likely to be a problem with the intonation of the trumpet?
     
  2. Solar Bell

    Solar Bell Moderator Staff Member

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    The real answer is...don't worry about it.

    My horn plays that note in tune, but I may be just automatically making it in tune.

    There are VERY few tunes in which you would need that tone..
     
  3. equivariant

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    OK - thanks.

    By the way, one tune that does require that note is "Blue Monk". That's when I first noticed it.
     
  4. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    EQ,
    If you play a low G on a trumpet, your tuner should show a low F. The Bb trumpet is a full step below concert pitch. The tuning slide on the front will get the written C but sounding Bb perfect. Then the rest is up to your dedicated practice procedures!

    Valves although perfect individually, when used in combinations are a bit too short. To compensate, we use our chops or push the ring out on the 3rd valve slide to drop the pitch some.
     
  5. equivariant

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    Hi Rowuk

    Apologies for not being clear - I was aware of the transposing nature of the Bb trumpet. Just to be completely clear, when I depress valves 1 and 3, the note produced is detected by my guitar tuner as a concert E (instead of a concert F as it supposed to be). I can force it a bit up by tightening my embouchure, but then the tone is terrible. On the other hand, I can produce an acceptable concert F with valves 2 and 3 depressed. Should I just use this fingering instead?

    Jim

    PS I might add that the concert Bb on the staff is perfectly in tune (according to the tuner) so the intonation problem only appears with the low notes.
     
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  6. rowuk

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    EQ,
    it could be a couple of things.
    can you play a D (sounding C) with 1 and 3?
    can you play Eb (sounding Db) with 2 and 3?

    On some old military trumpets, there was an extended 3rd valve that did allow playing to low F# (E).

    Another possibility is that your horn was built with slides for trumpet in A - and you have the wrong third slide.

    If there is a spit key on the 3rd valve that is not airtight, the same thing can happen.
     
  7. equivariant

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    Hi Rowuk

    Yes, the D and the Eb (as you describe) sound in tune. The intonation problem only becomes apparent with the low Ab (2 and 3) and the low G (1 and 3) which are almost a semitone flat.

    In fact, the D and Eb (with the fingerings you describe) require me to push out the 3rd valve slide a little to get them in tune (they are a little sharp otherwise). However, I believe that this is required on most trumpets?

    I think that the spit key is airtight - I'll doublecheck when I get home from work. The trumpet is borrowed from a friend (a trombone player who doesn't use it) so I am not completely sure of its history. It has been well looked after however.

    Jim
     
  8. marsuleu

    marsuleu Piano User

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    hello !
    first of all, you can download trumpet fingering from here: Wind Instruments

    regarding low G, his natural fingering is 1-3 pressed . if the horn is technicaly OK , that means the problem is your embouchure... and you need to study more. u said that D(1-3) and D#(2-3) are in tune... so , the horn seems to be fine :) so , don't worry !
     
  9. Vulgano Brother

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    Welcome to TM, equivariant!

    I have played on some horns (a cheapo Eb) that had a way too flat low g. Fingering it 23 seemed to work better, so it might be a problem with the trumpet. Is it a cheapo trumpet?
     
  10. equivariant

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    I don't think that is a poor quality instrument. It is a Musica trumpet (made in Austria). I don't know the serial number off hand. However, the instrument feels much higher quality than some cheap instruments that I have looked at in shops. It has been kept in good condition.
     

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