Finished - Complete Fingering Chart

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by GijsVis, Aug 19, 2012.

  1. kingtrumpet

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    and whether your a hero -- or even a zero -- that is still something - isnt it???? and we all know something is better than nothing!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. Pete Anderson

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    I think the primary fingering for F# above high C should technically be open? It is actually part of the harmonic series (though it's apparently 50 cents flat). Likewise for the Ab, Bb and B natural above high C, they should probably be open I think? I guess it comes down to the horn and player in the end, though.

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  3. kingtrumpet

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    not to argue anything here ---- but, I think some of us players have been playing that F# with the 2nd valve ---- and the point being -- with any alternative fingerings ---- where we LEARN to play the note (in tune) is likely to have a lasting impact.
    If, I had learned to play the F# open -- and consequently "learned" to play the note in tune --- then I would use that.

    so -- I am not sure anything (natural fingerings, or alternatives) is actually wrong --as long as the player has "learned" to play it there -- IMHO
     
  4. Pete Anderson

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    Good point, and we don't usually play the Bb below high C open even though that's also technically part of the harmonic series... I just find that on my horn, at least, the F# is way out of tune with 2nd valve or 123, and I have much better results just playing it open. So maybe at the least open should be added to the alternate fingerings!
     
  5. kingtrumpet

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    that seems fair enough --- I think a lot depends on the person. some older chaps here might have learned on the G bugles of the drum corps in the 70's or 80's --- and I think they have only 2 valves, and different fingerings also. a very interesting thing -- "how each individual learns to play an instrument"
     
  6. tobylou8

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    Well I have been enlightened! I noticed as I have made F# and G more solid (above high C), the F# was more in tune open than when using 2nd valve. Thought I was just making a mistake. Thanks Pete!
     
  7. Branson

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    Thanks for your work.

    There were some fingerings I didn't even know.

    Now can you make the high notes easier?
     
  8. kingtrumpet

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    I might try that -- but I "think" my embouchure has it learned to play with only the 2nd valve --- hey, this might be one for the "stupid posts thread" -- what if I mess up the "muscle memory" part of already having the High F# with the 2nd valve??? Hey, where is a doctor when you need him??? how many attempts do you have to make, before you mess up the "muscle memory" part of the embouchure????
     
  9. Pete Anderson

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    I don't think this is worth worrying about at all? I use alternate fingerings for things all the time and I think it's a good thing to be able to. For instance, sometimes depending on what note of a chord I'm playing, I might need to play a D in the staff as 1 and 3 instead of 1 to make it in tune (only really noticeable if it's sustained for a while).
     
  10. GijsVis

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    I never found an open F#, I'll try it tomorrow (I'm in bed already) and I'll add it as alternative fingering in an update :) Thanks!
     

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