Flat Flugel

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by chapmand, Sep 4, 2011.

  1. chapmand

    chapmand Piano User

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    I have been working this summer on my new Phaeton Flugel. Long story short, it is too long. The entire horn is flat by at least a quarter tone! Yes, the lead pipe is all the way in. Yes, I've tried a few mouthpieces. Is it possible they made it too long? Is it perhaps something caused by the funky bracing? As an experiment I pulled the lead pipe out about an inch and it played beautifully in the key of A (concert).
    I have to lip this thing up way too much to be in tune.
    Maybe it's time for the hack saw?
    Help?:-o
     
  2. s.coomer

    s.coomer Forte User

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    Have you let anyone else try the horn and do they have the same problem? If after you and a number of other fine players have tried the instrument and they have found the same thing to be true, I would contact the manufacturer or where I bought it and see if something could be done.
     
  3. supposeda3

    supposeda3 Piano User

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    I play a Phaeton flugel also, and I've always been struck by how good the intonation is on it. I agree with the above post, you should see if it plays the same for someone else.
     
  4. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    Although this should NEVER happen, it unfortunately does.

    Send it back. Sawing it down will probably destroy the intonation.

    Pitch on cylindrical tubing is based on length. On irregular shaped objects, it is based on volume (ever blown across different shaped beer or pop bottles - or added water to raise the pitch?). The length of the flugel probably matches that of a trumpet, the large volume bell lowers the pitch.

    It is new and under guarantee. Send it back!
     
  5. jiarby

    jiarby Fortissimo User

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    does it sound the same with different mouthpieces?
     
  6. duanemassey

    duanemassey Piano User

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    Join a rock band that tunes down....
     
  7. chapmand

    chapmand Piano User

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    Thank you for your suggestions.
    I played it with the mpc That came with it. And with a Yamaha mpc too.
    No one else has played it. The groups I play with shut down for the summer.
    I have just emailed to company/distributor from whom I purchased the horn.
    I'll keep you posted.
    Regards,
     
  8. frankmike

    frankmike Piano User

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    maybe you are flat.

    do you have any other horn?
     
  9. tedh1951

    tedh1951 Utimate User

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    I'm NOT flat - I just have big blones.
     
  10. chenzo

    chenzo Piano User

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    did it come with a bicycle pump...............sorry couldn't help myself

    I would not be a happy punter if I brought a decent flugel and had your problem.:evil:

    What happened about the quailty control :roll:
     

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