Free Fowing 3rd Valve Slide

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  1. stepjazz63

    stepjazz63 New Friend

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    Free Flowing 3rd Valve Slide

    Hi Fellow trumpeters,

    I have had the same trumpet for 37 years - a Bach Strad 72 model. I recently purchased a brand new trumpet - a Schagerl JM2 Klassic (sponsored by James Morrison). My question is this:

    When I place the trumpet on a trumpet stand, should the 3rd valve slide remain in a "closed" position, or should it slowly slide open until it stops at the lock position?

    The shop that sold me the trumpet say that all good trumpets should have the 3rd valve slide moving when the trumpet is held upside down. This never happened on my Bach, so I am confused. Can anyone share their experience with me to let me know if I should be concerned, or be happy that the 3rd valve slide works as it should.

    Many thanks in advance.
     
  2. BrassBandMajor

    BrassBandMajor Fortissimo User

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    Wow, never heard of that,
    It's probably because of the slide grease.
    Doesn't really matter.
    Did Mr James Morrison ACTUALLY sponsor you?
     
  3. nordlandstrompet

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    Nothing to be concerned about. This is a sign of high quality craftmanship.
    The slides of high quality manufacturer trumpets is lapped to work fast like a trombone slide.
    If it is a problem for you, add some grease to stop the sliding when it is placed on the stand.
     
  4. Peter McNeill

    Peter McNeill Utimate User

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    Spot on advice.
    I have a couple of horns that will slowly slide out the 3rd slide when on a stand. Nothing to worry about. That is a good thing for quick action. A heavy Slide Grease will stop it, but would not worry about it.

    Here's my Strad - 3rd out to the stop, All my Strads do the same - slowly drop open. My Schagerl and Taylor Chicago as well...
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  5. stepjazz63

    stepjazz63 New Friend

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    No,no,no - I wish he sponsored me. I meant to say he has designed the trumpet for Schagerl.
    Thanks for your reply.
     
  6. BigDub

    BigDub Fortissimo User

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    I agree with Nordlands. However, if a Trumpet doesn't do that when you stand it upright, I sure wouldn't call that a deal breaker. My trumpet doesn't have the third slide slip down when standing vertical, and I'm not complaining. You can't have it, either!
     
  7. stepjazz63

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    Thanks for all the responses.
    My mind is at ease now. I am confident that I have bought myself a good trumpet. It is so good to have such support at hand from like-minded colleagues.

    I am amazed at Pete McNeill's collection of trumpets - very envious. Also thanks to Nordlandstrompet - your advice matches excatly what the trumpet specialist who sold me the trumpet was saying. An independent 2nd opinion provides much comfort.
     
  8. Dennis78

    Dennis78 Fortissimo User

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    Hog wash I say. None of my horns slip out when vertical and the slides are super fast, I even have to keep a hair band on my cornet so it doesn't come completely off when I'm using it. IMO I would be led to believe that the horn has lower compression or not as tight so it can draw air and break the vacuum for lack of better term. Why I believe this is when a combustion engine piston rings become worn the compression fails and will not hold in place if parked on a hill
     
  9. Culbe

    Culbe Forte User

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    I was thinking that too, but so many knowable people say otherwise. Hmm.

    At one band I played at, one trumpet's slide didn't have a stopper, and a couple seconds after we stopped playing his slide would fall out.
     
  10. stepjazz63

    stepjazz63 New Friend

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    Thanks Dennis, Now I am really confused. I do not understand engineering concepts but what you suggest about the compression seems to makes sense. Gee it would be great to get the view of an experienced trumpet maker/repairer to make a conclusive statement on this topic.
     

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