I'm still not seeing the point in pedal tones, I'm sorry mkm. When I said "the only time I use pedal tones is if I catch myself tightening up" I meant that I would not use pedal tones hardly ever, but only as a remind to myself that I should keep loose. The tones would just be a quick fix for loosening the chops after I realized, "oh shoot, they're tightening up!". This hardly ever happens. Is there any definite good use to pedal tones.