Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by ricecakes230, Feb 17, 2014.

  1. gmonady

    gmonady Utimate User

    Jan 28, 2011
    Dayton, Ohio
    Glad the CPR brought you back into the world of rational existence. By the way, not only do I know CPR, but also 23 other letters of the alphabet.
  2. Dale Proctor

    Dale Proctor Utimate User

    Jul 20, 2006
    Heart of Dixie
    Your analyst is a wise person. I do my best thinking while riding the old Harley, though...
  3. ricecakes230

    ricecakes230 Pianissimo User

    Jan 15, 2013
    That's funny...
  4. Ed Lee

    Ed Lee Utimate User

    Aug 16, 2009
    Jackson NC
    An analogy I'd like to make is that the quarterback would never have made a touchdown and received the glory of the touchdown had it not been for the rest of the team supporting his effort. Sure it was easier for him and he didn't go home with all the bruises and pain unless his support was inadequate.

    Point: if your time to adequately practice and a teacher isn't in your defensive structure, don't expect to be a winner ... but you still can have a lot of fun playing the best you can.
  5. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

    Mar 23, 2006
    Parts Unknown
    I still like the miracle analogy. It's kind of like children's trousers. They look fine until it appears that the children have "overnight" grown three inches. If we keep plugging away, that flat spot we were in suddenly "jumps" to a higher level. This jump seems miraculous.
  6. gmonady

    gmonady Utimate User

    Jan 28, 2011
    Dayton, Ohio

    Children's trousers suck. Baggy pants rule!!!!
  7. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    I simply do not understand this "plateau" mentality. I have been playing for almost 50 years and it is really easy to make a list of 10 things that I cannot do - 3 of which can be solved in a short period of dedicated work, 4 that will take more time than that and 3 that I will NEVER accomplish. I have always worked with these lists and NEVER had a time of depression.

    Because I devote the most time to the stuff that I can't yet do, but have a reasonable chance of accomplishing, I have had the pleasure of moving forward almost the whole time that I have been playing. The added advantage of constant improvement in small steps: after a while, no questions are asked. The people who matter recognize the attitude, preparation and reliability. I learn also to recognize the small steps and give them their proper perspective!

    My suggestion: stop whining and work on the stuff that counts. Take notes while practicing, work from a shortlist of things that aren't quite there yet - make those things happen!!!!!!!!! Attitude, preparation and reliability are universal attributes that every one who knows you must immediately recognize - not by you saying so, rather by your playing.

    If others aren't noticing, there could be a delta between what you think and what they hear.
  8. mgcoleman

    mgcoleman Mezzo Forte User

    Jun 22, 2010
    My personal experience is that plateaus are just reminders that my mind and my body have adapted to the training challenges, they have decided to settle in and be comfortable at a certain level and now require a change in routine to shock them back into a learning/improvement mode. This was true when I was doing signficant amounts of long distance road races and the same idea of changing things up a bit has always worked for me with music.

    There are, after all, more ways to get to the other side of a mountain besides going straight up and over the top.
  9. WannaScream

    WannaScream Pianissimo User

    Nov 27, 2013
    Insanity is doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results. I played the same way, and same stuff, for years, thinking if I just fit in enough practice, I'd finally get better. Well, I didn't, and in frustration, I quit playing for a while. It finally dawned on me that I would need a teacher and a new approach. A few lessons via Skype, an embouchure change, new horn, new mouthpiece, and I'm a better player. I feel like I'm hitting a plateau again now myself, but I'm happier than I've ever been with my progress.
  10. Dale Proctor

    Dale Proctor Utimate User

    Jul 20, 2006
    Heart of Dixie
    You have to push yourself during your practice sessions. Playing the same old exercises you can already handle, or practicing them with the same mistakes over and over won't lead to much improvement. It's not much fun, but to improve you have to work on things you can't do well or can't do at all. Doing it in a vacuum won't give the best results, either. You need a group to play with that stretches you and gives you benchmarks/examples of what it takes to play well.

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