Holton tinkerers

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Dean_0, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. Dean_0

    Dean_0 Piano User

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    Hi :

    New here and had a question on what my next move is with this horn 1929 Model 48 revelation.

    First thing i noticed when i got the horn was it has a sticky #2 valve ,on upstroke.

    So i gave it a nice warm bath ,found some Zaja oil online and reassembled the horn ,everything was great no sticking,until i had played about 15 mins . then the slurs started again,a few days later i did a valve alignment,and installed new corks,by his time i had played it several times,and the valve started to get better,found the hand lapping thing online and used oil and a good work over on that valve ,didn't seem to improve much.

    Got a Frank Holton M/P from e.bay no # but it measures nearly the same as my #4 Conn M/P except with a deeper cup and bigger Backbore.

    The next session was the worst iv'e ever had with a trumpet,the first 15 mins. er so was pretty good ,then the horn ,or maybe it was me - began to fall apart ,cracking notes in the lower stuff and at times just making wind in the high stuff.

    I then switched back to the All Star M/P ( this M/p measures the same as the Conn #4 but is shorter overall like a Cornet M/P) that came with the horn and things got a tiny bit better but by this time into my session my chops were shot ,i rested for longer times but the horn just kept giving me grief so i stopped .

    Now where to go from here? i don't want to kill myself to use this horn .

    I'm going too try the All star for another session ,and possibly do a T/P lapp on valve #2.

    If that doesn't bring her around ,i'll most likely look for a different horn. :evil:

    Maybe you guy's have a better idea?
    Thanks
    Dean_0 :play:
     
  2. Dean_0

    Dean_0 Piano User

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    Part 2:

    I took the time to do a lapping with toothpaste yesterday,let it dry for several hours then reassembled ,This morning i played it for over half an hour and NO STICKY VAVLES :woop:.

    With about 3 strokes with the t/p it turned jet black ,after rinsing they were bright and very shiny .

    I'm still not sure about the All star M/p but it seems to work well ,so I guess I'll stick with it for a while .
    Thanks
    Dean_0
     
  3. stumac

    stumac Fortissimo User

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    The receiver taper is a little different from the modern taper, I find that the original Holton Heim 1 and 2 mouthpieces perform best in my 1928 Llewellen.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
  4. Dean_0

    Dean_0 Piano User

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    Hi Stuart,

    Ive read that about the older Holton's ,

    I have 3 M/P's : Holton 7c and Conn 4 ,and an All *Star Trumpet, but it's shorter overall like a cornet M/P, I think it was made by Conn as well?

    All three have the smallest bit of wobble ,it's so little that while playing its not noticeable.

    I think i also heard the Hiems are pretty pricey but ill look for one in the next few days.

    I have a concern about the gap on the leadpipe with this horn ,the Conn 4 and 7c don't go in as deep ,like they do in my Conn horn ,could be why the Holton is a bit tuff on Chops?

    Dean_0
     
  5. stumac

    stumac Fortissimo User

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    Hi Dean,

    I am not familiar with the Revelation, the Llewellen does not have a step at the junction of the receiver and leadpipe, just a smooth transition between the two tapers, so there is no gap as such. The Heims have a pretty thin wall at the exit. I have a Vega Mp from the same time, It does not fit or play as well as the Heims.

    Regards, Stuart.
     
  6. Dean_0

    Dean_0 Piano User

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    Yup Stuart:
    Mine is like that in the leadpipe too ,funny i didn't notice the wobble until you reminded me. seems like there isnt much difference between the 48' and the llewelen's,except the engraving and some have a pinky hook ,mine does not,I'm not sure the third slide thing i have (mine clamps on ,not soldered) is for a music stand or the ring slide but i found one that works there so.

    Anyway i'm looking for a heim ,or Revelation mpc now

    Thanks
    Dean-0
     

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