how hard to go from Bb to C trumpet

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  1. jztrmpt01

    jztrmpt01 Pianissimo User

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    What are the major differences in going from Bb to C?

    How is the music different and the pitch intonation?

    I have found a few C trumpets but have never, even when i played alot, played one long enough to tell.

    Thanks.
     
  2. govtmodel

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    For me the hardest thing was to recalibrate my thinking, i.e., hearing third space C as C and not B-flat.
     
  3. jztrmpt01

    jztrmpt01 Pianissimo User

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    Is a C trumpet ok for jazz or covers work?
     
  4. trumpetnick

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    I don't think so. I have never seen a jazz trumpet player using a C trumpet. I have read somewhere, the the late Miles was looking into C trumpets in order to get a lighter sound, but he has never used one in a gig. If transposing is a problem for it, learn it. Don't try to shortcut it. Usual use of C trumpet is for orchestra and classical solo work, though some may use it in studio sessions. All of that is not to say, that C trumpet is prohibited in jazz, but you will sure look like a strange bird appearing for a gig or rehearsal with a C trumpet.
     
  5. Brass crusader

    Brass crusader Mezzo Piano User

    A C trumpet simply doesn't have the sound or timbre appropriate for jazz work. Some may disagree, but I personally feel that C trumpets are meant for strictly classical playing.
     
  6. wiseone2

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    I went through a long period of not owning a Bb trumpet, I got no complaints about my performances. In my days in Philly, I once played a performance with the Philadelphia Orchestra and after the concert played lead on a C trumpet with Quincy Jones at Peps'.
    Those old cliches die hard, "The C trumpet is a lighter sound than the Bb". I don't think so!
    Wilmer
     
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    The trumpets in Quincy's band were Jerry Kail, Clyde Riessinger, Benny Bailey and Freddy Hubbard.......that silly man:cool:
    Wilmer
     
  8. trumpetnick

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    Wilmer,

    I am not saying that it cant be done - I never played professionally in a big band. I am just saying that the sound and intonation tendencies of a C trumpet are quite different from those of a B flat trumpet, which should mean that in reality a player will need to do more adjustments to blend well with a section of B flats. I played in ensembles where people used a B flat, a C trumpet and a piccolo (it was the Altenburg Concerto for 7 trumpets, and probably we could use a D trumpet as well) we did fine, but needs more work and attention than working with a more uniform pitched trumpet section. I guess that for a person that never or rarely played a C trumpet it will requires more work than usual. The other point I was trying to make was that owning a C trumpet is not necessarily a good solution for transposition issues. As for the Miles story - it is just a story that I read somewhere and popped in my mind when reading the OP.
     
  9. fraserhutch

    fraserhutch Mezzo Piano User

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    If a C trumpet is, as Wilmer suggests, more or less interchangeable with a Bb, and transposition is off the table, then what;'s the difference between the horns?

    I find it hard to believe that there isn't an essential characteristic difference in the sound of the horns.
     
  10. stumac

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    For the same pitch note a C trumpet will have a different harmonic structure then a Bb.

    When playing in church I felt the C sat better with the pipe organ than the Bb.

    Regards, Stuart.
     

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