How many of you use "tounge controlled embrochure" and such?

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by HSOtrumpet1, Aug 8, 2009.

How do YOU play your trumpet?

  1. Tounge-controlled embrochure

    5 vote(s)
    14.7%
  2. Some other such method

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  3. Doing nothing other than putting your own embrochure on the trumpet and blowing

    26 vote(s)
    76.5%
  1. Markie

    Markie Forte User

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    If I'm understanding you correctly, the player focuses more on the tongue which appears to effect the aperture. If this is what you mean then I do this. I compare the effect to whistling and often suggest to people who ask questions about range to read Arch Tongue and Hiss.
     
  2. Bachstul

    Bachstul Mezzo Forte User

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    If my tongue was cut off, I would no longer be able to play a trumpet.
     
  3. Sofus

    Sofus Forte User

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    Sorry to say this, but I´m a bit confused.
    To me, anchor tongue and TCE is NOT the
    same thing, but it seems to be to some of
    the people posting.

    Wouldn´t a correct definition of TCE be that
    the tongue must be in contact with the lips
    to some extent?
     
  4. oj

    oj Pianissimo User

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    Even if the tip is resting behind the lower teeth, you can have contact with the inside of both lips. The difference is small for me at least.

    Btw, Bahb explained what the idea behind the name TCE was in an interview I had with him:

    "The sub-title, “Secrets of the Tongue Controlled Embouchure” came to me while waiting in an airport in Germany and re-reading the drafts.
    I realized that the Tongue controlled the entire Embouchure."

    (more here: Interview with Robert Civiletti )

    Ole
     
  5. Sofus

    Sofus Forte User

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    Not contradicting you in any way, oj, but now a second
    question comes to my mind: if the tip is resting behind
    the lower teeth and the teeth have a normal distance
    (gap) of maybe 6-7 mm (with maybe 12 mm at the most),
    the part of tongue that is pressed out between the teeth
    will be hard to control, I think. When I look in the mirror, all
    I see is some tongue tissue filling up that gap, and trying to
    direct some controlled pressure agains one or both lips with
    that seems very hard, to say the least.

    Not making any statement here, just thinking out loud . . .:-)
     
  6. oj

    oj Pianissimo User

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    Sofus,

    Perhaps the TCE thing only works for some?

    Why did Herbert Clarke only use it when he was tired? Why did he call it a "stunt"?

    Or, when David Hickman tried TCE with his students, only one (of 13 including himself) got it working?

    Different things work for different people - or, there are "many roads to Rome". ;-)

    Ole
     
  7. Sofus

    Sofus Forte User

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    I sure agree to that, oj!

    Cheers!:-)
     
  8. oj

    oj Pianissimo User

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    Sofus,

    Did you attend the Herseth seminar in Hamar in 1977?

    I was there. Took some photos:

    The Herseth Seminar

    Ole
     
  9. trumpetnick

    trumpetnick Fortissimo User

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    My apologies to the original poster for going off topic.

    Ole,

    I wasn't able to access the above website for quite few months...is there any regional restrictions?
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2009
  10. Sofus

    Sofus Forte User

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    Yes, oj, I was!

    Quite an experience too!
    Herseth playing Telemann, the 28 trumpet concert etc . . .

    And playing football with Ed Tarr!

    Hardenberger´s roommate at that time is my friend.
    We see each other on a regular basis . . .

    Hardenberger played his first DHC at that camp!
    He managed to do it on a smaller mp than he
    usually used, and I annoyed him by calling him
    a cheater!

    Did you play piccolo trp that time? I remember
    a very skilled Norwegian that played piccolo.
    He persisted in calling himself an amateur, but
    he was way beyond that to my opinion.
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2009

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