How to identify the brand and model of an older trumpet

Discussion in 'Vintage Trumpets / Cornets' started by mosternaz, Jun 7, 2010.

  1. mosternaz

    mosternaz New Friend

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    I have inherited a trumpet that is a mystery to me. I hope someone can help me identify it. I'm a former trombone player, so this is a little new to me.

    It is silver. On the bell is the word "ARTIST" all in caps. Above and below the words are shapes that look like flower petals. The design is drawn in zig zags.

    On each valve is #1, #2 and #3. On the back of the 2nd valve is #661637. I can find no other marks.

    The case is brown leather like with bright blue velvet interior, but not sure is it original.

    The trumpet is in very nice condition, but one value sticks a bit. I'm just wondering what this thing is.

    I appreciate any help you can give.
     
  2. MFfan

    MFfan Fortissimo User

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    Welcome to the forum. If you could post some photos ( from a site like photbucker or Flickr, etc) we could get a better idea. Do you have some idea of how long your family has had it? It may well be a "stencil" of some sort, judging from the lack of detailed ID. There are many " Artist" horns out there.
     
  3. lakerjazz

    lakerjazz Mezzo Piano User

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    Are you sure it's old? It might be a Getzen Artist with an engraving, because I don't think many vintage craftsmen used the zigzag style of engraving.
     
  4. mosternaz

    mosternaz New Friend

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    OK - I got a little more information. This was inherited from a friend, so not sure of age or history. I'm not even sure it is old! Inside the case was a handwritten note that said:
    King Artist
    460 BORE
    PRO-trumpet

    Does this make sense with the description?
    Here are some pictures:

    trumpet pictures by mosternaz - Photobucket

    Also, how do I tell if it is a B flat horn or something else? I can play a scale and have an organ, so is there a way to match the sound to the organ.

    I'd like to sell the trumpet, but want to be sure I know what I have.
     
  5. MFfan

    MFfan Fortissimo User

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    It is definitly a Bb trumpet of a basic design, looks in nice shape, no special features I can see. HN White company (King) never made an Artist model that I know of, especially with the minimal bell lettering. If you go to the HN White web site you can look over the actual King trumpets to see how they are designed and engraved. Horn-u-copia is a great resource that you can look at a lot of info and horn pictures on HN White.
    My feeling is that it is a "stencil", an instrument built by a maker to contract to be sold under a retailer's brand name. Whether it is Pro or not is up for grabs.
    In HUC's tradename data base, there is an "Artist" identified as brass made by E.K. Blessing (Elkhart) for Sears and Roebuck's line., which seems the most likely of the possibilities found there.
     
  6. s.coomer

    s.coomer Forte User

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    I agree with Dave it probably is a stencil that was possibly made for Sears. Sears sold instruments many years ago.
     
  7. ComeBackKid

    ComeBackKid Fortissimo User

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    I have several stencil models made by Blessing and Conn and this does not look like them. I have only one King model - a Cleveland - and while I see some similarities in details such as the valve balusters, 'D' brace, and the water keys, there are other features such as the MP receiver that are not at all similar. The photos do not show the cross-braces so that is hard to determine. The engraving appears similar to other stencils that I have and have seen.

    The fact that your trumpet does not have an adjustable third valve slide pretty much identifies it as a student-level instrument - which almost all stencils were.

    It looks OK but I don't think it is going to fund your retirement. If it is in really good playing condition, it could bring $100-150 on ebay. If it is not a really good player, it may bring $40-80 from someone who wants a starter, It is likely better than many of the cheap imported models available on ebay - at least it should be mechanically sound.
     
  8. mosternaz

    mosternaz New Friend

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    I really want to thank you all for responding. The hornicopia sight was wonderful. I couldn't find anything that fit with the serial number so you are all likely right on this one. I sincerely appreciate the help. Thanks
     

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